GAME DAY: Boston Bruins @ Ottawa Senators - 7:00pm ET - Sat. Oct. 24th, 2009; and post game debate

Gohan wrote:

N4L wrote:I wasnt a goalie... haha, I was a D man dude.

Then you understand the way it feels when a coach doesn't show trust in you when you've played a solid game?

Absolutely.

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:

dennycrane wrote:Chris Kelly is a fourth line player on this team, and frankly he or Shannon should be taken out in favour of Donovan. Kelly was awful tonight. No shots on goal, -1. That's not contributing.

The Sens did roll four lines. Only four players played less than 13 minutes. Ruutu was the only one under 10 minutes.

Gord Wilson talks up Kelly because they are neighbours.

Ruutu/Kelly/Donovan were domiante every time they were on the ice together. Breaking up that 4th line was beyond stupid. 100% on Cluston. Ruutu had 5 points playing with those 2, Donovan had a goal and an assist and Kelly had a couple helpers as well. SO WHY THE HELL DO YOU PUT SHANNON THERE?! He hasnt done a friggin thing but drag that entire line down and force the other 3 lines to play a little more.

Again, it's because he trusts him on the point on the PP. Once Kuba is back he loses his role back there and hopefully in the lineup. If Kuba comes back and Shannon stays in the lineup, I will be seriously questionning Clouston's rationale, but until then I get it.

Then Clouston is an idiot because the PP Diddling sucks and it has all year. You need a threat from the point and there is nothing there with Shannon. We have as any SH goals as PP, that's on the frigging coach.

I don't disagree with you, but the only other options are Alfie or Carkner IMO.

This team has started to struggle when the ability to roll 4 lines disapeared. People might not think that taking DOnovan out of the lineup is a HUGE deal, but I do.

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:

dennycrane wrote:Chris Kelly is a fourth line player on this team, and frankly he or Shannon should be taken out in favour of Donovan. Kelly was awful tonight. No shots on goal, -1. That's not contributing.

The Sens did roll four lines. Only four players played less than 13 minutes. Ruutu was the only one under 10 minutes.

Gord Wilson talks up Kelly because they are neighbours.

Ruutu/Kelly/Donovan were domiante every time they were on the ice together. Breaking up that 4th line was beyond stupid. 100% on Cluston. Ruutu had 5 points playing with those 2, Donovan had a goal and an assist and Kelly had a couple helpers as well. SO WHY THE HELL DO YOU PUT SHANNON THERE?! He hasnt done a friggin thing but drag that entire line down and force the other 3 lines to play a little more.

Again, it's because he trusts him on the point on the PP. Once Kuba is back he loses his role back there and hopefully in the lineup. If Kuba comes back and Shannon stays in the lineup, I will be seriously questionning Clouston's rationale, but until then I get it.

Then Clouston is an idiot because the PP Diddling sucks and it has all year. You need a threat from the point and there is nothing there with Shannon. We have as any SH goals as PP, that's on the frigging coach.

I don't disagree with you, but the only other options are Alfie or Carkner IMO.

Karlsson, Campoli, Alfi, Picard, all those guys work back there. It worked against Colorado last year in one game and that's it.

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:

dennycrane wrote:Chris Kelly is a fourth line player on this team, and frankly he or Shannon should be taken out in favour of Donovan. Kelly was awful tonight. No shots on goal, -1. That's not contributing.

The Sens did roll four lines. Only four players played less than 13 minutes. Ruutu was the only one under 10 minutes.

Gord Wilson talks up Kelly because they are neighbours.

Ruutu/Kelly/Donovan were domiante every time they were on the ice together. Breaking up that 4th line was beyond stupid. 100% on Cluston. Ruutu had 5 points playing with those 2, Donovan had a goal and an assist and Kelly had a couple helpers as well. SO WHY THE HELL DO YOU PUT SHANNON THERE?! He hasnt done a friggin thing but drag that entire line down and force the other 3 lines to play a little more.

Again, it's because he trusts him on the point on the PP. Once Kuba is back he loses his role back there and hopefully in the lineup. If Kuba comes back and Shannon stays in the lineup, I will be seriously questionning Clouston's rationale, but until then I get it.

Then Clouston is an idiot because the PP Diddling sucks and it has all year. You need a threat from the point and there is nothing there with Shannon. We have as any SH goals as PP, that's on the frigging coach.

I don't disagree with you, but the only other options are Alfie or Carkner IMO.

Karlsson, Campoli, Alfi, Picard, all those guys work back there. It worked against Colorado last year in one game and that's it.

Karlsson, Campoli and Picard DO play the point on the PP. So Clouston uses Shannon instead of Alfie. I don't necessarily agree with him, but he obviously thinks it's for the best.

Point being the PP hasnt adjusted at all in the first 3 weeks and I have no clue why. Again, square peg, round hole, IT'S NOT WORKING CLOUSTON. It's his job to figure it out.

And when kuba comes back, he will replace Shannon. It really isn't to hard to figure out. Move one guy around instead of multiple guys. Get people learning there role.
Totally agree Robbyj

If Clouston hasnt figured out Shannon doesnt work then The Sens are going to be in trouble because no coach should be that thick.

N4L wrote:Point being the PP hasnt adjusted at all in the first 3 weeks and I have no clue why. Again, square peg, round hole, IT'S NOT WORKING CLOUSTON. It's his job to figure it out.

Obviously it's not working. I personnally would try this:

1st PP

Spezza-Michalek-Neil

Campoli - Alfie

2nd PP

Kovalev-Regin-Fisher

Karlsson - Picard

And then replace Campoli with Kuba when he is back

Something like that for sure. I couldnt be more pissed off about Shannon being in the lineup again for no reason what so ever. He brings those around him down because of how little he brings.

N4L wrote:

Gohan wrote:They had no business getting a point against Nashville and no business getting less than two points tonight. So whatever...only thing that sucks is Boston getting any points at all. Oh well, we'll learn from it and move on.

Some of you guys need to chill out with this critical business. This is all pretty straight-forward. Clouston is building for the future. He's trying to help them improve as individuals and as a team (hence the Karlsson-Campoli pairing).

As for Shannon, he's there because Cheechoo hasn't proven he belongs. Shannon is an insurance policy.

Cheechoo is playing 1000 times better then Shannon, but he still shouldnt be out there protecting a lead.

Shannon is useless on the 4th line, un-equally useless.

Shannon plays the point on the PP. I think Clouston is just trying options until Kuba returns. Karlsson and Carkner on the point for a full game cannot happen. I don't see many options here.

Also, on that 3rd Bruins game, I fault Alfredsson's positionning. THat's what killed the momentum, with Fisher failing to clear just before that.

Nobody's perfect on the team, but I'd rather put Shannon than Cheechoo at the moment on that top line. He may be useless on the 4th line but I see him contributing in many aspects.
We played a pretty good game and we lost in the last minute of a game and Shannon is the guy who gets the hate? At the moment I'd rather have Shannon and Donovan on this team than Kovalev. At least he shows the effort and finishes his checks, with half the size.

I just think we're trying to criticize something that has nothing to do with why we lost the hockey game.

marakh wrote:

N4L wrote:

Gohan wrote:They had no business getting a point against Nashville and no business getting less than two points tonight. So whatever...only thing that sucks is Boston getting any points at all. Oh well, we'll learn from it and move on.

Some of you guys need to chill out with this critical business. This is all pretty straight-forward. Clouston is building for the future. He's trying to help them improve as individuals and as a team (hence the Karlsson-Campoli pairing).

As for Shannon, he's there because Cheechoo hasn't proven he belongs. Shannon is an insurance policy.

Cheechoo is playing 1000 times better then Shannon, but he still shouldnt be out there protecting a lead.

Shannon is useless on the 4th line, un-equally useless.

Shannon plays the point on the PP. I think Clouston is just trying options until Kuba returns. Karlsson and Carkner on the point for a full game cannot happen. I don't see many options here.

Also, on that 3rd Bruins game, I fault Alfredsson's positionning. THat's what killed the momentum, with Fisher failing to clear just before that.

Nobody's perfect on the team, but I'd rather put Shannon than Cheechoo at the moment on that top line. He may be useless on the 4th line but I see him contributing in many aspects.
We played a pretty good game and we lost in the last minute of a game and Shannon is the guy who gets the hate? At the moment I'd rather have Shannon and Donovan on this team than Kovalev. At least he shows the effort and finishes his checks, with half the size.

I just think we're trying to criticize something that has nothing to do with why we lost the hockey game.

refs not calling Julien for delay of game?

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:Regin, Fisher, Alfi, Michalek, Spezza, Kelly, Ruutu, any of those 7 would have worked just fine. Surprised he didnt put Shannon out there.

Kelly is a disaster out there, and Fisher made the bonehead play not to clear the puck. Honestly, I don't blame the coach, the players need to execute.

How is Kelly a disaster? Let me see, last 2 mins of a game protecting a lead... Cheechoo or Kelly.... toooooough choice there.

Kelly is 100% a guy I would have out there in the last 2 mins of a game protecting a lead but I guess by him being on a 4th line that can play a regular shift with Shannon, he might be a bit cold, so if that's the case, then good call by Clouston.

Playing favorites might have cost The Sens the last 2 games because of the inability to roll 4 lines.

Screw being cold, I saw Kelly standing on the offensive side of a board battle in the neutral zone 3 times tonight. For the "smartest man on the team" that is totally unacceptable. Every forward on that team should have to watch Peter Regin play without the puck, he is so smart it isn't funny.

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100% agreed. Amazing positionning.

Cheechoo is playing well with that top line and the other 2 guys are actually producing. Why the hell would anyone have Shannon in that lineup over Cheechoo?

Shannon plays the point on the PP and does a crappy job. Just put Donovan there and then we can say he plays the point on the PP.

The ability to roll 4 lines is effected by this and that's Clouston.

The only things that are not working right now up front all involve Shannon, that's my beef right now. Clouston screwed with something that was fantastic for the most part and its costing the team now.

For me the biggest thing that is not working is Kovalev. HE's also invisible on that PP, it's not Shannon only, especially at 1/10 the price.

Kovalev is producing and was front and center for that 3rd Ottawa goal. The guys around Kovalev are producing.

Shannon doesnt work anywhere.

If Kuba is ready to go next game Shannon better be coming out of that lineup.