GAME DAY: Pittsburgh Penguins @ Ottawa Senators - 7:30pm ET - Mon. Oct. 12th, 2009

N4L wrote:Ya..... or not.

111519 wrote:http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/10/13/11380691-sun.html

Lets do it.

111519 wrote:http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/10/13/11380691-sun.html

Lets do it.

asq2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Really depressing. I missed the game and I'm not going back to the PVR. Same old Dung, different season. Oh, we can't score, but it was sooooo close! Diddle off with that Dung. Not good enough.

I don't understand.

The period I saw showed me a system, a well-balanced attack (granted, a largely unsuccessful one) and bounces not going our way. That was more promising for me than our close victories over Dung teams like Toronto and NYI.

The defence is a problem but will benefit greatly from Kuba and, hopefully, Lee. Leclaire should only really be faulted on the first Kennedy goal.

The powerplay sucks, though, that's for true.

111519 wrote:

N4L wrote:Ya..... or not.

Are you against the stability, room presence, playoff experience, winning attitude, what??

SensFan71 wrote:

111519 wrote:http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/10/13/11380691-sun.html

Lets do it.

meh, not really high on bringing a guy in like chelios, I am okay with a veteran D-man, but not someone this old.

asq2 wrote:The Pens also got some great bounces on the other Kennedy goal and the Staal goal.

And, it's going to start going in for Spezza. Soon.

Karlsson, as was expected prior to the pre-season where he was great, should probably get more time in the minors. Kuba's also going to return, which should help out our D considerably. I'd also call up Lee, who is less effective offensively but more steady than Picard, IMO.

That would give us:

Phillips - Volchenkov
Kuba - Campoli
Lee - Carkner

Which is pretty steady as she goes.

IMO, the third period I saw was more convincing for me of this team's potential than our wins over the Leafs or NYI.

111519 wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

111519 wrote:http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/10/13/11380691-sun.html

Lets do it.

meh, not really high on bringing a guy in like chelios, I am okay with a veteran D-man, but not someone this old.

Listen, I'm not trying to be a smarta** and would normally agree. But this guy is known for his conditioning. I'm just saying if you have to pair Karlsson with someone, why not let him learn from a guy like chelios. We are talking bottom 6 pairng for one year.

N4L wrote:

111519 wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

111519 wrote:http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/10/13/11380691-sun.html

Lets do it.

meh, not really high on bringing a guy in like chelios, I am okay with a veteran D-man, but not someone this old.

Listen, I'm not trying to be a smarta** and would normally agree. But this guy is known for his conditioning. I'm just saying if you have to pair Karlsson with someone, why not let him learn from a guy like chelios. We are talking bottom 6 pairng for one year.

HE CANT PLAY!

N4L wrote:

Gohan wrote:

PKC wrote:

asq2 wrote:Were the first two periods that bad? I don't understand where all this gloom and doom is coming from.

For the first time this season, I'm really excited about our forward lines. And, I thought Kovalev - Fisher - Alfredsson looked especially good. There's a lot of potential there.

Definitely, the defence needs tweaking, but again so much will be gained just from the return of FK. Sub Kuba and Lee in for Karlsson and Picard and the defence looks very solid - or, at the very least, not a weakness that will lose us games.

Michalek - Spezza - Cheechoo
Kovalev - Fisher - Alfredsson
Foligno - Regin - Shannon
Neil - Winchester - Ruutu

Phillips - Volchenkov
Kuba - Campoli
Lee - Carkner

Leclaire
Elliott


That looks like a playoff team for sure.

Get that pile of Dung out of there. What a fuckin loser that guy is...Karlsson doesn't deserve to have a single one of those minuses...give them all to that idiot Campoli.

I 100% agree with you. I've never been sold on Campoli and Picard has just been a big letdown for me---I expected much better from him. I would much rather have Kuba-Karlsson as the 2nd pairing. Everything else looks right.

Ive like Picard thus far, havnt loved him, but he's been solid. No doubt in my mind that Campoli should be the guy coming out of the lineup. He has been awful, hasnt produced, been a big liability defensivly. I took the wait and see approch about him but I've waited and what I have seen isnt good.

Karlsson out of the lineup? What for? He's been good for the most part and put in a position to fail right now playing with Campoli, yet he is still playing pretty well.

Picard/Carkner have been a VERY good pair.

N4L wrote:

asq2 wrote:The Pens also got some great bounces on the other Kennedy goal and the Staal goal.

And, it's going to start going in for Spezza. Soon.

Karlsson, as was expected prior to the pre-season where he was great, should probably get more time in the minors. Kuba's also going to return, which should help out our D considerably. I'd also call up Lee, who is less effective offensively but more steady than Picard, IMO.

That would give us:

Phillips - Volchenkov
Kuba - Campoli
Lee - Carkner

Which is pretty steady as she goes.

IMO, the third period I saw was more convincing for me of this team's potential than our wins over the Leafs or NYI.

Why on earth would either of those guys be in for Karlsson or Picard? One didnt make the team and the other is playing brutal.

N4L wrote:

111519 wrote:

N4L wrote:Ya..... or not.

Are you against the stability, room presence, playoff experience, winning attitude, what??

Im against 50 year old players who cant play anymore. All those things oyu just named are what a coach should bring, not a D man that's 50 years old, cant play in The NHL anymore, and is holiding on waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long.

111519 wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

111519 wrote:http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/10/13/11380691-sun.html

Lets do it.

meh, not really high on bringing a guy in like chelios, I am okay with a veteran D-man, but not someone this old.

Listen, I'm not trying to be a smarta** and would normally agree. But this guy is known for his conditioning. I'm just saying if you have to pair Karlsson with someone, why not let him learn from a guy like chelios. We are talking bottom 6 pairng for one year.

TeamRenzo wrote:

N4L wrote:

Gohan wrote:

PKC wrote:

asq2 wrote:Were the first two periods that bad? I don't understand where all this gloom and doom is coming from.

For the first time this season, I'm really excited about our forward lines. And, I thought Kovalev - Fisher - Alfredsson looked especially good. There's a lot of potential there.

Definitely, the defence needs tweaking, but again so much will be gained just from the return of FK. Sub Kuba and Lee in for Karlsson and Picard and the defence looks very solid - or, at the very least, not a weakness that will lose us games.

Michalek - Spezza - Cheechoo
Kovalev - Fisher - Alfredsson
Foligno - Regin - Shannon
Neil - Winchester - Ruutu

Phillips - Volchenkov
Kuba - Campoli
Lee - Carkner

Leclaire
Elliott


That looks like a playoff team for sure.

Get that pile of Dung out of there. What a fuckin loser that guy is...Karlsson doesn't deserve to have a single one of those minuses...give them all to that idiot Campoli.

I 100% agree with you. I've never been sold on Campoli and Picard has just been a big letdown for me---I expected much better from him. I would much rather have Kuba-Karlsson as the 2nd pairing. Everything else looks right.

Ive like Picard thus far, havnt loved him, but he's been solid. No doubt in my mind that Campoli should be the guy coming out of the lineup. He has been awful, hasnt produced, been a big liability defensivly. I took the wait and see approch about him but I've waited and what I have seen isnt good.

Karlsson out of the lineup? What for? He's been good for the most part and put in a position to fail right now playing with Campoli, yet he is still playing pretty well.

Picard/Carkner have been a VERY good pair.

Karlsson is not ready for the NHL! There is no point on him playing the 5th, 6th d-man, he needs top minutes and he cannot handle those top minutes in the NHL.

There is no point in rushing a future corner stone of our defence.

111519 wrote:If not chelios, is there any other vetran d-man out there that is not being used or maybe not signed who could come in and play bottom 6 minutes with Karlsson? I have a picard/campoli for trade bait.