If you could save 3 players who would they be?

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Kelly is apparently the smartest man in hockey, which is impressive considering his freakishly small head.

I think trumpeting hockey "smarts" is just a cop-out for players who are favourites yet aren't especially good at any one thing.

Exactly. Cop out. Gas him.

Kelly is fine! He is a perfect 3rd line center.

People are getting away from what is really ailing the team again and looking to throw around blame.

There is about 14.5 mil dollars worth of blame to go on that top line. They get most of their points and goals on the PP. Guess what, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are the ones drawing the penalties. People are going to say that Heatley and Spezza still produce more than anyone, well, thats because of the hard work the other lines provide and draw those penalties.

Spezza and Heatley both on this team is a waste of time, money, and committment.

504Heater wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Kelly is apparently the smartest man in hockey, which is impressive considering his freakishly small head.

I think trumpeting hockey "smarts" is just a cop-out for players who are favourites yet aren't especially good at any one thing.

Exactly. Cop out. Gas him.

Why gas him? Seriously? What on earth could be the reason to "gas him".

About 1/2 the team makes more than he does and he still does things on the ice that most of the players on the Sens cant do. Kelly has a limited role and when he is on the ice, he is effective for the most part.

Fisher, Spezza, Heatley, those 3 have absolutly bombed this year and 2 of them have no use except on the PP.

Neely4Life wrote:Kelly is fine! He is a perfect 3rd line center.

People are getting away from what is really ailing the team again and looking to throw around blame.

There is about 14.5 mil dollars worth of blame to go on that top line. They get most of their points and goals on the PP. Guess what, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are the ones drawing the penalties. People are going to say that Heatley and Spezza still produce more than anyone, well, thats because of the hard work the other lines provide and draw those penalties.

Spezza and Heatley both on this team is a waste of time, money, and committment.

I would even add that the second unit is now better on the PP... I know Heatley is there, but Lee and Vermette are the ones who make that PP work.

Neely4Life wrote:
Why gas him? Seriously? What on earth could be the reason to "gas him".

About 1/2 the team makes more than he does and he still does things on the ice that most of the players on the Sens cant do. Kelly has a limited role and when he is on the ice, he is effective for the most part.

Fisher, Spezza, Heatley, those 3 have absolutly bombed this year and 2 of them have no use except on the PP.

Fisher, Vermette and Kelly make 9 million dollars and don't do anything that 3 million dollars worth of players couldn't do. They would be my primary targets to get rid of. IF I was keeping one, it would be Vermette for his face off % and speed.

That's part one of my 'gassing', there are a lot more.

That's easy...Spezza, Heatley and Alfredsson

Give Bell some credit as well, he was moving the puck last night very well. The guys that make the league min are the onces really putting the effort in and producing right now.

Murray is gonna have to deal on of Heatley or Spezza for this team to move forward. They are the worst team in the league aside from NYI.

Spezza and Heatley truly dont have the ability to put the effort in night in and night out. Your best players have to do that, especially ones making 7 mil plus. Id rather have a bunch of losers that try and put the effort in than a bunch of over paid, pre-madona's that put on the skates and hope for the best.

Neely4Life wrote:Kelly is fine! He is a perfect 3rd line center.

People are getting away from what is really ailing the team again and looking to throw around blame.

There is about 14.5 mil dollars worth of blame to go on that top line. They get most of their points and goals on the PP. Guess what, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are the ones drawing the penalties. People are going to say that Heatley and Spezza still produce more than anyone, well, thats because of the hard work the other lines provide and draw those penalties.

Spezza and Heatley both on this team is a waste of time, money, and committment.

I would say about 19.9 mil dollars worth of blame to be honest.

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:
Why gas him? Seriously? What on earth could be the reason to "gas him".

About 1/2 the team makes more than he does and he still does things on the ice that most of the players on the Sens cant do. Kelly has a limited role and when he is on the ice, he is effective for the most part.

Fisher, Spezza, Heatley, those 3 have absolutly bombed this year and 2 of them have no use except on the PP.

Fisher, Vermette and Kelly make 9 million dollars and don't do anything that 3 million dollars worth of players couldn't do. They would be my primary targets to get rid of. IF I was keeping one, it would be Vermette for his face off % and speed.

That's part one of my 'gassing', there are a lot more.

You realize Kelly is signed for less than both those guys, longer term and provides exactly what is required of a 3rd line center.

Its kind of sad you say that what Kelly does on the ice can be done by anyone in the league can do for 1 million or less. Thats a total crock. Kelly is a lot more valuable on a good team than a bad one because he is the guy you depend on to hold leads, make the smart plays and keep things simple. Kelly is a guy I would have on my team 100% of the time, especially at 2.1 mil for 4 years.

RobbyJ wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Kelly is fine! He is a perfect 3rd line center.

People are getting away from what is really ailing the team again and looking to throw around blame.

There is about 14.5 mil dollars worth of blame to go on that top line. They get most of their points and goals on the PP. Guess what, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are the ones drawing the penalties. People are going to say that Heatley and Spezza still produce more than anyone, well, thats because of the hard work the other lines provide and draw those penalties.

Spezza and Heatley both on this team is a waste of time, money, and committment.

I would say about 19.9 mil dollars worth of blame to be honest.

Ill give a 35 year old captain, who was actually good last night, who has given his life to the Sens and still this teams best player a break. Oh, and not to mention the numerous discounts he has taken to stay in Ottawa.

The other 2 guys you get nothing from unless things are going their way.

Neely4Life wrote:
You realize Kelly is signed for less than both those guys, longer term and provides exactly what is required of a 3rd line center.

Its kind of sad you say that what Kelly does on the ice can be done by anyone in the league can do for 1 million or less. Thats a total crock. Kelly is a lot more valuable on a good team than a bad one because he is the guy you depend on to hold leads, make the smart plays and keep things simple. Kelly is a guy I would have on my team 100% of the time, especially at 2.1 mil for 4 years.

Not me. This is one of many mistakes Murray made this summer.

I honestly had a hard time picking after Alfredsson.

Spezza and Heater have yet to show that they can consistantly put in a solid effort

Elliott is still to fresh and hasn't shown enough for me to be convinced he's our bonafide number 1 guy.

Lee has shown enough improvement to see he could be a top 4 PMD

Volchie took his time but has now shown he's a top 4 Defensive D who's still young and is a warrior blocking all those shots.

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:
You realize Kelly is signed for less than both those guys, longer term and provides exactly what is required of a 3rd line center.

Its kind of sad you say that what Kelly does on the ice can be done by anyone in the league can do for 1 million or less. Thats a total crock. Kelly is a lot more valuable on a good team than a bad one because he is the guy you depend on to hold leads, make the smart plays and keep things simple. Kelly is a guy I would have on my team 100% of the time, especially at 2.1 mil for 4 years.

Not me. This is one of many mistakes Murray made this summer.

How is it a mistake? At all? You actually need guys like Kelly to win in the NHL. I wont try and argue this with you because clearly you dont see what Kelly does on the ice with and without the puck, and how great of a player he is when the game is on the line.

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:
You realize Kelly is signed for less than both those guys, longer term and provides exactly what is required of a 3rd line center.

Its kind of sad you say that what Kelly does on the ice can be done by anyone in the league can do for 1 million or less. Thats a total crock. Kelly is a lot more valuable on a good team than a bad one because he is the guy you depend on to hold leads, make the smart plays and keep things simple. Kelly is a guy I would have on my team 100% of the time, especially at 2.1 mil for 4 years.

Not me. This is one of many mistakes Murray made this summer.

Agreed. At $2.1M he is not a bargain. A bargain is what you have to find in that role to have the luxury of keeping together a top line that is in the upper 20 millions next year in real salary. Kelly has not been good this year either. I would shed him and Phillips for sure.

Neely4Life wrote:
How is it a mistake? At all? You actually need guys like Kelly to win in the NHL. I wont try and argue this with you because clearly you dont see what Kelly does on the ice with and without the puck, and how great of a player he is when the game is on the line.

I find Winchester better already. 2.1 million is too much for a guy that is purely defensive. In fact, I find McAmmond better and he's getting less than half. How can you argue that?

Kelly is easily this teams best defensive forward, not even close. He still produces offensivly more than those two and has the speed needed to play against the other teams best players.

Wicnshester? Has he even played the last month? He is strong along the boards, thats it, there is nothing else to his game that is impressive or unique. McAmmond has been better lately and shouldnt be to blame either, but Kelly is a better player than McAmmond for sure.

You have one of the best defensive forwards in the game, tied up in his prime for 2.1 mil a year, I'll take that every time.

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:
How is it a mistake? At all? You actually need guys like Kelly to win in the NHL. I wont try and argue this with you because clearly you dont see what Kelly does on the ice with and without the puck, and how great of a player he is when the game is on the line.

I find Winchester better already. 2.1 million is too much for a guy that is purely defensive. In fact, I find McAmmond better and he's getting less than half. How can you argue that?

Great examples. I think you lose nothing replacing Kelly with either player and actually gain some speed in the case of McAmmond.

Neely4Life wrote:Kelly is easily this teams best defensive forward, not even close. He still produces offensivly more than those two and has the speed needed to play against the other teams best players.

Wicnshester? Has he even played the last month? He is strong along the boards, thats it, there is nothing else to his game that is impressive or unique. McAmmond has been better lately and shouldnt be to blame either, but Kelly is a better player than McAmmond for sure.

You have one of the best defensive forwards in the game, tied up in his prime for 2.1 mil a year, I'll take that every time.

I think you overstate his value. This is my opinion but he has not been good this year at all. I would like to think I am somewhat educated about the game and while Kelly is smart positionally he has taken a lot of short cuts this year. Not a lot of starts and stops, more circles and flybys which is characteristic of what this entire team is doing.