GAME DAY: Montreal Canadiens @ Ottawa Senators - 7:00pm Jan. 17th, 2009

Tukker wrote:Am I the only one who thought Heatley played crap?

hemlock wrote:Didn't see the game, but based on the comments it sounds like much of the same story we've seen all year.

Cronenbergfan wrote:Well, I certainly want to see Tavares in a Sens uni, so at this point, the playoffs are a bust, so if Melnyk is pissed, he can shuffle the management about, unless of course he can see the bigger picture and let Murray use his savy to snag even more precious picks, the future could potentially be VERY bright for this Sens team in a year or two.

Don't get me wrong, even though I know the playoffs are an impossibility basically, I HATE losing, but if it pays dividends in the end, I say do it.
Now, the trick is, how can the Sens do WORSE than the Isles?!?! LOL

pgood wrote:

Tukker wrote:Am I the only one who thought Heatley played crap?

Heatley played worse than crap in the first 40. I thought he looked better in the 3rd, but... whats his problem that he can't or doesn't bring it for a full 60.

Good for him for scoring 2 goals, but that is why we give him the big bucks. It's high time he starts showing why he has that A on his chest, cause as far as that goes, I'm at a loss.

hemlock wrote:
What's our magic number at now? I remember someone saying it was 10 losses. Are we at 9.5 now?

hemlock wrote:

Cronenbergfan wrote:Well, I certainly want to see Tavares in a Sens uni, so at this point, the playoffs are a bust, so if Melnyk is pissed, he can shuffle the management about, unless of course he can see the bigger picture and let Murray use his savy to snag even more precious picks, the future could potentially be VERY bright for this Sens team in a year or two.

Don't get me wrong, even though I know the playoffs are an impossibility basically, I HATE losing, but if it pays dividends in the end, I say do it.
Now, the trick is, how can the Sens do WORSE than the Isles?!?! LOL

That's a tall order. They can start by doing the right thing and sending Elliott back to the AHL. They were doing just fine sucking otherwise. No need for changes, but if you REALLY want to guarantee we don't win, start trading guys off for picks and prospects.

Heatley to Columbus for Filatov, their 2009 1st, and Russell,
Vermette to Nashville for Blum.
Fisher to anywere that will take that gigantic Diddle anchor of a contract.
Kuba for a 1st in 2009

hemlock wrote:

Cronenbergfan wrote:Well, I certainly want to see Tavares in a Sens uni, so at this point, the playoffs are a bust, so if Melnyk is pissed, he can shuffle the management about, unless of course he can see the bigger picture and let Murray use his savy to snag even more precious picks, the future could potentially be VERY bright for this Sens team in a year or two.

Don't get me wrong, even though I know the playoffs are an impossibility basically, I HATE losing, but if it pays dividends in the end, I say do it.
Now, the trick is, how can the Sens do WORSE than the Isles?!?! LOL

That's a tall order. They can start by doing the right thing and sending Elliott back to the AHL. They were doing just fine sucking otherwise. No need for changes, but if you REALLY want to guarantee we don't win, start trading guys off for picks and prospects.

Heatley to Columbus for Filatov, their 2009 1st, and Russell,
Vermette to Nashville for Blum.
Fisher to anywere that will take that gigantic Diddle anchor of a contract.
Kuba for a 1st in 2009

asq2 wrote:

hemlock wrote:Didn't see the game, but based on the comments it sounds like much of the same story we've seen all year.

Not at all.

It was fast-paced, exciting, and we showed heart, character and grit.

Spezza had a few brain-cramps but there were times when he was absolutely unbelievable. Especially in OT, where at one point he walked the blue-line deking three Habs before setting Picard up for a golden opportunity to win it.

I don't think anyone on the Sens wanted to win more than #19 tonight.

pgood wrote:

cash wrote:Nope. Its like I said: Heatley plays crap for the whole game, then scores a couple and he's a hero...

pgood wrote:

cash wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:My hand is also down... He let in one softy, but bailed us out numerous times, making some terrific saves in key situations.

Thats not true, though. The were none of these "key situations" anytime after the 2nd intermission where Elliott bailed us out. Outside of those breakaway saves, he was balied out a ton by the skaters in front of him. He was barely even tested in the third and OT.

But you can look at that two ways two.

Cause if he didn't bail us out in the second, the whole bail out in the third would be a moot point cause Ottawa could have EASILY been down 3 or 4 going into the third.

And I think if they were down 5-1 after two that game was probably safely in the books for Montreal.

Bottom line, Elliot bailed his skaters out in the 2nd and the skaters bailed him out in the third. It's a team game, and hopefully this is a sign these guys are starting to play for each other. It could be overly optimistic, it could be grasping at straws right now. But bottom line, his play in the second gave them a chance in the third.

Although I do agree with you on the overall statement, the question was whether or not he was ready for prime time; and regardless of his key glove hand stops, his overall play is lacking in significant ways: He was too deep in his net on several plays and he often wasn't following the puck well. His position is strong, but far from perfect and his rebound control left something to be desired - despite the fact that it was much improved from the game against the Thrashers.

I am a firm believer that this team wants to play for Elliott - Not just because he's a rookie and they want him to have a good introduction to the league, but because they believe in him. I do, too.

He's got a lot of potential and could just have been thrown off by the atmosphere in the building, but his play needs to recover immediately. We need him at his best to beat the team that just grinded out a win against the East's best.

And I agree with you that many aspects of his game are in need of work before he's a true number 1 goalie in this league. He definitely needs to spend some extra time with Eli Wilson working on the rebounds and following the puck.

But, I'm not sure how much more of that he can really improve in the AHL. I think he needs to start facing some better opposition and also work on his skills with the big boys in the NHL.

So, I guess if by prime-time, you mean bona-fide starter, then no, Elliot is not there. If by prime-time you mean in the NHL (which is how I took it to mean), I think it is kind of his time to be here.

asq2 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Cronenbergfan wrote:Well, I certainly want to see Tavares in a Sens uni, so at this point, the playoffs are a bust, so if Melnyk is pissed, he can shuffle the management about, unless of course he can see the bigger picture and let Murray use his savy to snag even more precious picks, the future could potentially be VERY bright for this Sens team in a year or two.

Don't get me wrong, even though I know the playoffs are an impossibility basically, I HATE losing, but if it pays dividends in the end, I say do it.
Now, the trick is, how can the Sens do WORSE than the Isles?!?! LOL

That's a tall order. They can start by doing the right thing and sending Elliott back to the AHL. They were doing just fine sucking otherwise. No need for changes, but if you REALLY want to guarantee we don't win, start trading guys off for picks and prospects.

Heatley to Columbus for Filatov, their 2009 1st, and Russell,
Vermette to Nashville for Blum.
Fisher to anywere that will take that gigantic Diddle anchor of a contract.
Kuba for a 1st in 2009

Columbus can't do that. They can't afford the salary.

Maybe Heatley to Edmonton for Gagner, Eberle and their 1st?

dennycrane wrote:I can't see Heatley going anywhere during the season. At the draft? Possibly.

hemlock wrote:

Cronenbergfan wrote:Well, I certainly want to see Tavares in a Sens uni, so at this point, the playoffs are a bust, so if Melnyk is pissed, he can shuffle the management about, unless of course he can see the bigger picture and let Murray use his savy to snag even more precious picks, the future could potentially be VERY bright for this Sens team in a year or two.

Don't get me wrong, even though I know the playoffs are an impossibility basically, I HATE losing, but if it pays dividends in the end, I say do it.
Now, the trick is, how can the Sens do WORSE than the Isles?!?! LOL

That's a tall order. They can start by doing the right thing and sending Elliott back to the AHL. They were doing just fine sucking otherwise. No need for changes, but if you REALLY want to guarantee we don't win, start trading guys off for picks and prospects.

Heatley to Columbus for Filatov, their 2009 1st, and Russell,
Vermette to Nashville for Blum.
Fisher to anywere that will take that gigantic Diddle anchor of a contract.
Kuba for a 1st in 2009

cash wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Cronenbergfan wrote:Well, I certainly want to see Tavares in a Sens uni, so at this point, the playoffs are a bust, so if Melnyk is pissed, he can shuffle the management about, unless of course he can see the bigger picture and let Murray use his savy to snag even more precious picks, the future could potentially be VERY bright for this Sens team in a year or two.

Don't get me wrong, even though I know the playoffs are an impossibility basically, I HATE losing, but if it pays dividends in the end, I say do it.
Now, the trick is, how can the Sens do WORSE than the Isles?!?! LOL

That's a tall order. They can start by doing the right thing and sending Elliott back to the AHL. They were doing just fine sucking otherwise. No need for changes, but if you REALLY want to guarantee we don't win, start trading guys off for picks and prospects.

Heatley to Columbus for Filatov, their 2009 1st, and Russell,
Vermette to Nashville for Blum.
Fisher to anywere that will take that gigantic Diddle anchor of a contract.
Kuba for a 1st in 2009

I would do the first two, but I'm perennially on the fence with Fisher.
Anyways, you guys are absolutely crazy if you think Kuba is actually worth a 1st. Watch his game closer. Its not even on the fringe of the realm of possibility. There's so many holes in his game, its ridiculous.

asq2 wrote:Wow, SJ-Detroit playing tonight. Hopefully I'll find an internet feed.

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