Andre Roy on the Alfie hit

TeamRenzo wrote:

asq2 wrote:Hey Spezza, want to know a way of instantly getting rid of all criticism from the Ottawa fans?

Drop the gloves with the next guy to do this (even if the other guy doesn't).

Doesn't matter if you get pounded, it's a guaranteed way to get back in the good books.

Was Spezza even on the ice for that hit?

While I agree in principle with what you are saying, how bad would it be if Spezza broke his hand on some chumps head?

I think a good scrap would benefit Fisher, his game is played with an edge.

I *think* he was on the ice. I feel terrible not being sure, because I was at the game :oops:

He's not a fighter so I wouldn't expect him to hit hard enough to hurt his hand. All he's got to do is jump in there and not get killed. It's to send a message that we'll jump you, don't care who you are or what. Let's face it, they're on ice and Spezza is a 200+ lbs guy, and whoever does the jumping usually ends up on top.

wprager wrote:

TeamRenzo wrote:

asq2 wrote:Hey Spezza, want to know a way of instantly getting rid of all criticism from the Ottawa fans?

Drop the gloves with the next guy to do this (even if the other guy doesn't).

Doesn't matter if you get pounded, it's a guaranteed way to get back in the good books.

Was Spezza even on the ice for that hit?

While I agree in principle with what you are saying, how bad would it be if Spezza broke his hand on some chumps head?

I think a good scrap would benefit Fisher, his game is played with an edge.

I *think* he was on the ice. I feel terrible not being sure, because I was at the game :oops:

He's not a fighter so I wouldn't expect him to hit hard enough to hurt his hand. All he's got to do is jump in there and not get killed. It's to send a message that we'll jump you, don't care who you are or what. Let's face it, they're on ice and Spezza is a 200+ lbs guy, and whoever does the jumping usually ends up on top.

That's fair, but there really out to be other guys taking on that role, like some of the guys who are payed specifically to take that role.

Hey wprager,

Yes he was definitely on the ice. And yes, just bum rush the guy. You don't need to get in a real scrap and hurt yourself. Just let the rodeo begin. To not do so suggests that you really aren't much of a team, just a bunch of individuals accountable for your own safety and performance.

beerandsens wrote:Hey wprager,

Yes he was definitely on the ice. And yes, just bum rush the guy. You don't need to get in a real scrap and hurt yourself. Just let the rodeo begin. To not do so suggests that you really aren't much of a team, just a bunch of individuals accountable for your own safety and performance.

So now Spezza is the scapegoat for the team's lack of toughness?

Why do you guys need a whipping boy? Constantly calling out Spezza, what about Alfie, Fisher or Kelly. How good has our shutdown pairing of Volchekov and Philips been?

This team has problems that extend beyond Spezza not dropping the gloves to fight Jeri fricking Jehtnin!

TeamRenzo wrote:

beerandsens wrote:Hey wprager,

Yes he was definitely on the ice. And yes, just bum rush the guy. You don't need to get in a real scrap and hurt yourself. Just let the rodeo begin. To not do so suggests that you really aren't much of a team, just a bunch of individuals accountable for your own safety and performance.

So now Spezza is the scapegoat for the team's lack of toughness?

Why do you guys need a whipping boy? Constantly calling out Spezza, what about Alfie, Fisher or Kelly. How good has our shutdown pairing of Volchekov and Philips been?

This team has problems that extend beyond Spezza not dropping the gloves to fight Jeri fricking Jehtnin!

Why should Spezza fight? his role is scoring and making plays(alas, not doing that much lately). We have guys to fight. Namely Neil and Ruutu. Even Heatley could fight. Why are we expecting so much out of Spezz?

Tukker wrote:

TeamRenzo wrote:

beerandsens wrote:Hey wprager,

Yes he was definitely on the ice. And yes, just bum rush the guy. You don't need to get in a real scrap and hurt yourself. Just let the rodeo begin. To not do so suggests that you really aren't much of a team, just a bunch of individuals accountable for your own safety and performance.

So now Spezza is the scapegoat for the team's lack of toughness?

Why do you guys need a whipping boy? Constantly calling out Spezza, what about Alfie, Fisher or Kelly. How good has our shutdown pairing of Volchekov and Philips been?

This team has problems that extend beyond Spezza not dropping the gloves to fight Jeri fricking Jehtnin!

Why should Spezza fight? his role is scoring and making plays(alas, not doing that much lately). We have guys to fight. Namely Neil and Ruutu. Even Heatley could fight. Why are we expecting so much out of Spezz?

WOW, now I can see how my quote was a little confusing . Two separate points but too close together.

1. I was verifying that Spezza was definitely on the ice, as I was at the game.
2. Everyone/anyone close can and probably should just rush in and take exception to Alfie getting creamed. That way it doesn't necessarily have to be a one on one fight with a guy like Spezza.

I know Kuba was on the ice but I don't remember the other three. I just remember thinking that these weren't our fighters so nothing was going to happen. BUT NOT ONLY YOUR FIGHTERS SHOULD JUMP IN ON A PLAY LIKE THAT. It should be a team thing, and I'll stand by that.

I wasn't looking to single out Spezza or make him my "whipping boy". BTW if you want to appreciate Spezza all over again just watch Rock Em Sock Em 19. He is all over that dvd lighting the lamp and dishing to Alfie and Heats, regular season and playoffs. It's painfully obvious that most of these goals were the result of hitting the offensive blueline with plenty of speed thanks to outlet passes from our own zone, which nowadays are pretty much nonexistent.

This team simply needs to play for one another and actually give a flying *uck about each other.

It's so bizarre. I mean, I've gone to bat for acquaintances I've met for no longer than 10 mins when out at a bar... It's a CODE so to speak, and I thought ALL men lived by it. What the hell?!!

Cronenbergfan wrote:This team simply needs to play for one another and actually give a flying *uck about each other.

It's so bizarre. I mean, I've gone to bat for acquaintances I've met for no longer than 10 mins when out at a bar... It's a CODE so to speak, and I thought ALL men lived by it. What the hell?!!

Exactly.
So what has caused them to feel that they no longer have to abide by The Code (yes, it needs to be capitalized)?

Mixed messages? Hartsburg didn't think it was a problem that the Sens didn't respond with violence after the hit on Alfie. He actually said it was the best team effort of the year, and that they were really playing for each other and sticking up for each other. If that isn't an indication of his approval, I don't know what is.

So it's ok that they all wilted like dead pansies?
Maybe Torts is the answer after all. Or Burns.

How close were we to signing deBoer?

I thought there was heresay that indicated deBoer wasn't too impressed having to meet the Melnyk and Murray for a coaching job. That's all I remember.

pgood wrote:Mostly along the lines of the original post, a commentary by Jim Hughson on what may be ailing the Sens. He rambles a bit, but I think he really hits the nail on the head at the end.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/ondemand/?playlistId=420a65442fa7b343551416840309cbb4deef0e97&videoId=975854818

I completely agree with his assertion. When we went to the finals, we had a crap start that season too. Not quite as bad however... the difference being, we learned how to be a team early on.

pgood wrote:Mostly along the lines of the original post, a commentary by Jim Hughson on what may be ailing the Sens. He rambles a bit, but I think he really hits the nail on the head at the end.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/ondemand/?playlistId=420a65442fa7b343551416840309cbb4deef0e97&videoId=975854818

Meh... his brilliant conclusion was that the solution has to "come from within" since they've tried pretty much everything else.

shabbs wrote:

pgood wrote:Mostly along the lines of the original post, a commentary by Jim Hughson on what may be ailing the Sens. He rambles a bit, but I think he really hits the nail on the head at the end.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/ondemand/?playlistId=420a65442fa7b343551416840309cbb4deef0e97&videoId=975854818

Meh... his brilliant conclusion was that the solution has to "come from within" since they've tried pretty much everything else.

Duh. No kidding.
That's about as helpful as a bicycle for a fish (trying to keep it G-rated here...)
Did he think that we all expected some magic fairy to come by and fix things?

Paddock, Murray, and now Hartsburg have all tried to find the solution "within".
I am sure that Alfie, Heater, Phillips, and Fisher are also looking for the solution, "within".
Spezza just sits there grinning and giggling.
It wouldn't surprise me to hear that they have had multiple psychologists/psychiatrists in there trying to find the problem "within".

At some point, people stop giving a crap about whether the problem is "within" or "without", and just want to the team kick some a** on the ice.