2013 NHL Playoffs Discussion

SpezDispenser wrote:I'm in complete shock at this series so far. Not only have the Bruins beaten the Pens, they've dismantled them. The Pens look like we did last round.

Everyone is surprised that Pitt is getting man handled the way they are... but the people who are surprised Boston is up 2-0 shouldn't be, only those who ignore history are.

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'm in complete shock at this series so far. Not only have the Bruins beaten the Pens, they've dismantled them. The Pens look like we did last round.

Pretty much. Pittsburgh had about 30 seconds of hope last night, when they scored with around a minute left in the first period to make it 3-1. Their building was going nuts, and you thought maybe that would spark them. Then Marchand scores with 30 seconds left in the period to restore the three goal lead, and that was that. I wonder if Bylsma gets canned if they lose? Last year was a pretty big failure, and even making it this far this year, it will still be viewed as a big FAIL.

After gearing up like they did, ya, it's Cup or bust this season.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'm in complete shock at this series so far. Not only have the Bruins beaten the Pens, they've dismantled them. The Pens look like we did last round.

Everyone is surprised that Pitt is getting man handled the way they are... but the people who are surprised Boston is up 2-0 shouldn't be, only those who ignore history are.

What history though? The Pens have won a Cup (and been to a Final as well) and so have Boston. Who knows...? This series should be 1-1 right now and heading back to Boston for a behemoth 2 games.

Don't like the Bruins at all, but how do does it feel Pittsburgh? Pretty crappy, huh?

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'm in complete shock at this series so far. Not only have the Bruins beaten the Pens, they've dismantled them. The Pens look like we did last round.

Everyone is surprised that Pitt is getting man handled the way they are... but the people who are surprised Boston is up 2-0 shouldn't be, only those who ignore history are.

What history though? The Pens have won a Cup (and been to a Final as well) and so have Boston. Who knows...? This series should be 1-1 right now and heading back to Boston for a behemoth 2 games.

Don't like the Bruins at all, but how do does it feel Pittsburgh? Pretty crappy, huh?

Big moves at the deadline to teams who are rolling ALWAYS fail. Adding anyone to the top 6 of a first place team is a mistake each and every single time. 3 guys that were with that Pens team all year long and is past years were shipped off or lost their spots on the roster, that effects the entire team chemistry and balance.

The time to make big moves is the off season, not 3 weeks before the season ends. IT. NEVER. WORKS. Especially when other guys are shipped out. The Jagr move absolutely no one was taken off the roster, between the Iginla, Morrow, and Murray moves, Tangradi and Lovejoy were both shipped out prior.

Hate what the Pens did because they didn't need to do anything other than maybe getting Murray. They went over board thinking it would work and Morrow and Iginla have both been awful.

Ah, I see what you mean.

The Penguins are not losing because of their trades. You make those deals every time. It's their stars who are not perfoming in this series, and they don't have enough toughness overall. Tangradi and Lovejoy are whatever losses.

But whatever, they will be a compleely different looking team next year I would imagine.

Dan Bylsma is also one of the worst coaches in the NHL right now

He refuses to adjust. It's almost comical to watch him get outcoached by Julien.

Ev wrote:The Penguins are not losing because of their trades. You make those deals every time. It's their stars who are not perfoming in this series, and they don't have enough toughness overall. Tangradi and Lovejoy are whatever losses.

But whatever, they will be a compleely different looking team next year I would imagine.

Dan Bylsma is also one of the worst coaches in the NHL right now

Really? Because every time they are made teams lose out... so I would suggest that you don't make those moves every time, at least not that many. You can add without subtracting and that's not what the Pens did... it's what the Bruins did though with Jagr.

Did LA make a move? Yes. Something to add depth, not a star.
Did Boston make a move? Yes. Something to add depth, not a star even if Jagr used to be, playing 3rd line mins right now.
Did Chicago make a move? No.

All 3 of these teams made minor-ish moves, no one was booted out of their roster spot, no one on their current rosters were traded to make room, and the dressing room stayed basically the same.

I didn't like what Pitt did at the deadline and you are now seeing why. I won't say I saw this happened but I absolutely said it could.

What if Tangradi was Malkin's best friend off the ice? Or if Lovejoy was the guy Crosby loved having around, etc, etc, etc. That kind of thing can kill a team, especially if they are glue guys. I am not saying they are or they are not but sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. If the team is winning, it's winning. How can Iginla make the Pens from 3 months ago better they they already were? They were unbeatable at the time.

I assume Shero's not dumb enough to trade one of his superstar's friends. I guess stranger things have happened, but that would be borderline challenged.

SpezDispenser wrote:I assume Shero's not dumb enough to trade one of his superstar's friends. I guess stranger things have happened, but that would be borderline challenged.

He fuking traded Armstrong... so that's complete BS as well.

NEELY wrote:How can Iginla make the Pens from 3 months ago better they they already were? They were unbeatable at the time.

I think they were attempting to be unbeatabler.

Anyway, it's always great to see media darlings like the Penguins and Wings fall flat on their faces.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:The Penguins are not losing because of their trades. You make those deals every time. It's their stars who are not perfoming in this series, and they don't have enough toughness overall. Tangradi and Lovejoy are whatever losses.

But whatever, they will be a compleely different looking team next year I would imagine.

Dan Bylsma is also one of the worst coaches in the NHL right now

Really? Because every time they are made teams lose out... so I would suggest that you don't make those moves every time, at least not that many. You can add without subtracting and that's not what the Pens did... it's what the Bruins did though with Jagr.

Did LA make a move? Yes. Something to add depth, not a star.
Did Boston make a move? Yes. Something to add depth, not a star even if Jagr used to be, playing 3rd line mins right now.
Did Chicago make a move? No.

All 3 of these teams made minor-ish moves, no one was booted out of their roster spot, no one on their current rosters were traded to make room, and the dressing room stayed basically the same.

I didn't like what Pitt did at the deadline and you are now seeing why. I won't say I saw this happened but I absolutely said it could.

What if Tangradi was Malkin's best friend off the ice? Or if Lovejoy was the guy Crosby loved having around, etc, etc, etc. That kind of thing can kill a team, especially if they are glue guys. I am not saying they are or they are not but sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. If the team is winning, it's winning. How can Iginla make the Pens from 3 months ago better they they already were? They were unbeatable at the time.

I'm sure Shero asks his players about guys and guys they are bringing in before making deals. I'm sure Crosby is in the know.

I don't think they added any stars really. I think all they added were depth guys. Bringing in two captains never hurts your team. But yes, they might have too many cookes in the kitcken

Without those players, the team is the same IMO. But we wouldn't know obviously. Who knows if they get by NYI or OTT without those moves? Not saying there were the reason they won 2 rounds.

The Pens pretty much added without subtracting. Dealing two small pieces, one who was a prospect pretty much, is not the end of the world.

So basically you're saying if they don't win the Cup then those moves were bad? There are way too many factors to say that. Even though I knew you would.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:How can Iginla make the Pens from 3 months ago better they they already were? They were unbeatable at the time.

I think they were attempting to be unbeatabler.

Anyway, it's always great to see media darlings like the Penguins and Wings fall flat on their faces.

I still think the Wings do things the right way and it's tough for most to dislike them. Pens... ugh, never hear enough from them and about them.

Either way, they didn't need to make the moves they did. There was no logic behind them aside from Boston not being the team that got Iginla... well, looking like the best move Boston made was the one they couldn't.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I assume Shero's not dumb enough to trade one of his superstar's friends. I guess stranger things have happened, but that would be borderline challenged.

He fuking traded Armstrong... so that's complete BS as well.

It's a business. Guys losing friends know it.

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:How can Iginla make the Pens from 3 months ago better they they already were? They were unbeatable at the time.

I think they were attempting to be unbeatabler.

Anyway, it's always great to see media darlings like the Penguins and Wings fall flat on their faces.

I still think the Wings do things the right way and it's tough for most to dislike them. Pens... ugh, never hear enough from them and about them.

Either way, they didn't need to make the moves they did. There was no logic behind them aside from Boston not being the team that got Iginla... well, looking like the best move Boston made was the one they couldn't.

Boston is the same team with Iginla instead of Jagr. They would have lost Bartkowski, that's it.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:The Penguins are not losing because of their trades. You make those deals every time. It's their stars who are not perfoming in this series, and they don't have enough toughness overall. Tangradi and Lovejoy are whatever losses.

But whatever, they will be a compleely different looking team next year I would imagine.

Dan Bylsma is also one of the worst coaches in the NHL right now

Really? Because every time they are made teams lose out... so I would suggest that you don't make those moves every time, at least not that many. You can add without subtracting and that's not what the Pens did... it's what the Bruins did though with Jagr.

Did LA make a move? Yes. Something to add depth, not a star.
Did Boston make a move? Yes. Something to add depth, not a star even if Jagr used to be, playing 3rd line mins right now.
Did Chicago make a move? No.

All 3 of these teams made minor-ish moves, no one was booted out of their roster spot, no one on their current rosters were traded to make room, and the dressing room stayed basically the same.

I didn't like what Pitt did at the deadline and you are now seeing why. I won't say I saw this happened but I absolutely said it could.

What if Tangradi was Malkin's best friend off the ice? Or if Lovejoy was the guy Crosby loved having around, etc, etc, etc. That kind of thing can kill a team, especially if they are glue guys. I am not saying they are or they are not but sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. If the team is winning, it's winning. How can Iginla make the Pens from 3 months ago better they they already were? They were unbeatable at the time.

I'm sure Shero asks his players about guys and guys they are bringing in before making deals. I'm sure Crosby is in the know.

I don't think they added any stars really. I think all they added were depth guys. Bringing in two captains never hurts your team. But yes, they might have too many cookes in the kitcken

Without those players, the team is the same IMO. But we wouldn't know obviously. Who knows if they get by NYI or OTT without those moves? Not saying there were the reason they won 2 rounds.

The Pens pretty much added without subtracting. Dealing two small pieces, one who was a prospect pretty much, is not the end of the world.

So basically you're saying if they don't win the Cup then those moves were bad? There are way too many factors to say that. Even though I knew you would.

Again he traded Armstrong for Hossa... almost worked that time but they still lost in the finals at the end. The next year they added depth, not top 6 players.

Adding 2 captains can also be counter productive because captains have ego's. Now, Morrow and Iginla may very well be the right characters to bring in but not being the go to guys hurts the ego and the pride, don't care what anyone says. They can't slip in the room without being noticed because they actually do take up some air.

Again, I hated toe moves then, hate it now.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:How can Iginla make the Pens from 3 months ago better they they already were? They were unbeatable at the time.

I think they were attempting to be unbeatabler.

Anyway, it's always great to see media darlings like the Penguins and Wings fall flat on their faces.

I still think the Wings do things the right way and it's tough for most to dislike them. Pens... ugh, never hear enough from them and about them.

Either way, they didn't need to make the moves they did. There was no logic behind them aside from Boston not being the team that got Iginla... well, looking like the best move Boston made was the one they couldn't.

Boston is the same team with Iginla instead of Jagr. They would have lost Bartkowski, that's it.

Not sure I agree with that.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:The Penguins are not losing because of their trades. You make those deals every time. It's their stars who are not perfoming in this series, and they don't have enough toughness overall. Tangradi and Lovejoy are whatever losses.

But whatever, they will be a compleely different looking team next year I would imagine.

Dan Bylsma is also one of the worst coaches in the NHL right now

Really? Because every time they are made teams lose out... so I would suggest that you don't make those moves every time, at least not that many. You can add without subtracting and that's not what the Pens did... it's what the Bruins did though with Jagr.

Did LA make a move? Yes. Something to add depth, not a star.
Did Boston make a move? Yes. Something to add depth, not a star even if Jagr used to be, playing 3rd line mins right now.
Did Chicago make a move? No.

All 3 of these teams made minor-ish moves, no one was booted out of their roster spot, no one on their current rosters were traded to make room, and the dressing room stayed basically the same.

I didn't like what Pitt did at the deadline and you are now seeing why. I won't say I saw this happened but I absolutely said it could.

What if Tangradi was Malkin's best friend off the ice? Or if Lovejoy was the guy Crosby loved having around, etc, etc, etc. That kind of thing can kill a team, especially if they are glue guys. I am not saying they are or they are not but sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. If the team is winning, it's winning. How can Iginla make the Pens from 3 months ago better they they already were? They were unbeatable at the time.

I'm sure Shero asks his players about guys and guys they are bringing in before making deals. I'm sure Crosby is in the know.

I don't think they added any stars really. I think all they added were depth guys. Bringing in two captains never hurts your team. But yes, they might have too many cookes in the kitcken

Without those players, the team is the same IMO. But we wouldn't know obviously. Who knows if they get by NYI or OTT without those moves? Not saying there were the reason they won 2 rounds.

The Pens pretty much added without subtracting. Dealing two small pieces, one who was a prospect pretty much, is not the end of the world.

So basically you're saying if they don't win the Cup then those moves were bad? There are way too many factors to say that. Even though I knew you would.

Again he traded Armstrong for Hossa... almost worked that time but they still lost in the finals at the end. The next year they added depth, not top 6 players.

Adding 2 captains can also be counter productive because captains have ego's. Now, Morrow and Iginla may very well be the right characters to bring in but not being the go to guys hurts the ego and the pride, don't care what anyone says. They can't slip in the room without being noticed because they actually do take up some air.

Again, I hated toe moves then, hate it now.

I agree with you, I'm just saying that the moves shouldn't be considered bad (not by you since you always considered them bad), just because they hypothetically don't win the Cup, unless we go back in time and don't make the moves and see that the Penguins win the Cup.