Prospect Battle: Round 1: Wideman vs Wiercioch

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:I did do up a profile on Wideman for DobberProspects.com, and gave him a C- upside, in case you were wondering

You could post a thread with a link on that here if you want more readers.

that's ok, they're just profiles for information, not really articles, and I don't get credit for hits or anything like that thanks though. Wideman one not up yet, but I did do some other Sens if you're interested in fantasy prospects and such: http://prospects.dobbersports.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=41&Itemid=131

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:it's Wiercioch and it isn't close at the moment. On another level compared to Wideman and has two pro years under him already

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Yah? What's he done?

I don't really feel like arguing about two prospects who I like who are both on our team, but I don't see how you can argue that Wiercioch isn't the much better/advanced prospect at this point in time. 2nd round pick, already has some NHL experience and 2 years in the AHL. Better producer in college, was going to be on Canada's world junior team, much better size, good skater. You're the one who said he'd have just as much hype as Justin Schult if he was a UFA back then...

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:it's Wiercioch and it isn't close at the moment. On another level compared to Wideman and has two pro years under him already

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Yah? What's he done?

I don't really feel like arguing about two prospects who I like who are both on our team, but I don't see how you can argue that Wiercioch isn't the much better/advanced prospect at this point in time. 2nd round pick, already has some NHL experience and 2 years in the AHL. Better producer in college, was going to be on Canada's world junior team, much better size, good skater. You're the one who said he'd have just as much hype as Justin Schult if he was a UFA back then...

I think his potential is off the charts, but it's just that potential. Right now, they are both starting the year in the AHL and if Wiercoich isn't a force this year in the AHL he never will be. Not sure who the better prospect is but I think it's even and I'll always go with the righty.

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:it's Wiercioch and it isn't close at the moment. On another level compared to Wideman and has two pro years under him already

\

Yah? What's he done?

I don't really feel like arguing about two prospects who I like who are both on our team, but I don't see how you can argue that Wiercioch isn't the much better/advanced prospect at this point in time. 2nd round pick, already has some NHL experience and 2 years in the AHL. Better producer in college, was going to be on Canada's world junior team, much better size, good skater. You're the one who said he'd have just as much hype as Justin Schult if he was a UFA back then...

I think his potential is off the charts, but it's just that potential. Right now, they are both starting the year in the AHL and if Wiercoich isn't a force this year in the AHL he never will be. Not sure who the better prospect is but I think it's even and I'll always go with the righty.

if it's even I'm taking the 6'4" guy over the 5'10" guy, especially for d-men.

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:it's Wiercioch and it isn't close at the moment. On another level compared to Wideman and has two pro years under him already

\

Yah? What's he done?

I don't really feel like arguing about two prospects who I like who are both on our team, but I don't see how you can argue that Wiercioch isn't the much better/advanced prospect at this point in time. 2nd round pick, already has some NHL experience and 2 years in the AHL. Better producer in college, was going to be on Canada's world junior team, much better size, good skater. You're the one who said he'd have just as much hype as Justin Schult if he was a UFA back then...

I think his potential is off the charts, but it's just that potential. Right now, they are both starting the year in the AHL and if Wiercoich isn't a force this year in the AHL he never will be. Not sure who the better prospect is but I think it's even and I'll always go with the righty.

if it's even I'm taking the 6'4" guy over the 5'10" guy, especially for d-men.

Most over rated stat/asset for D men. Also, Wiercoich is stil a stick so being 6'4 doesn't mean a whole lot. Either way, I love Wiercoich's protential because IMO he could be a franchise D man if everything goes right... but he hasn't done a whole lot in his pro career to this point. Wideman I loved when I saw him play at Miami before the Sens drafted him and reminded me of Boyle right then.

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:it's Wiercioch and it isn't close at the moment. On another level compared to Wideman and has two pro years under him already

\

Yah? What's he done?

I don't really feel like arguing about two prospects who I like who are both on our team, but I don't see how you can argue that Wiercioch isn't the much better/advanced prospect at this point in time. 2nd round pick, already has some NHL experience and 2 years in the AHL. Better producer in college, was going to be on Canada's world junior team, much better size, good skater. You're the one who said he'd have just as much hype as Justin Schult if he was a UFA back then...

I think his potential is off the charts, but it's just that potential. Right now, they are both starting the year in the AHL and if Wiercoich isn't a force this year in the AHL he never will be. Not sure who the better prospect is but I think it's even and I'll always go with the righty.

if it's even I'm taking the 6'4" guy over the 5'10" guy, especially for d-men.

Most over rated stat/asset for D men. Also, Wiercoich is stil a stick so being 6'4 doesn't mean a whole lot. Either way, I love Wiercoich's protential because IMO he could be a franchise D man if everything goes right... but he hasn't done a whole lot in his pro career to this point. Wideman I loved when I saw him play at Miami before the Sens drafted him and reminded me of Boyle right then.

It's only overrated if somebody says a 5'10" D can't make it because he's 5'10". I don't care about what his size is if he's a good player. But in this case if we're saying that everything is equal between the two then I'm picking the guy with 5 inches over the other guy. Why wouldn't I? It's like saying if there are two Erik Karlssons and one is 5'11" one is 6'5", which one would I take? Easy call.

wprager wrote:Hey, Neely, wasn't it you who said (a few times) that you can't teach size?

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:it's Wiercioch and it isn't close at the moment. On another level compared to Wideman and has two pro years under him already

\

Yah? What's he done?

I don't really feel like arguing about two prospects who I like who are both on our team, but I don't see how you can argue that Wiercioch isn't the much better/advanced prospect at this point in time. 2nd round pick, already has some NHL experience and 2 years in the AHL. Better producer in college, was going to be on Canada's world junior team, much better size, good skater. You're the one who said he'd have just as much hype as Justin Schult if he was a UFA back then...

I think his potential is off the charts, but it's just that potential. Right now, they are both starting the year in the AHL and if Wiercoich isn't a force this year in the AHL he never will be. Not sure who the better prospect is but I think it's even and I'll always go with the righty.

if it's even I'm taking the 6'4" guy over the 5'10" guy, especially for d-men.

Most over rated stat/asset for D men. Also, Wiercoich is stil a stick so being 6'4 doesn't mean a whole lot. Either way, I love Wiercoich's protential because IMO he could be a franchise D man if everything goes right... but he hasn't done a whole lot in his pro career to this point. Wideman I loved when I saw him play at Miami before the Sens drafted him and reminded me of Boyle right then.

It's only overrated if somebody says a 5'10" D can't make it because he's 5'10". I don't care about what his size is if he's a good player. But in this case if we're saying that everything is equal between the two then I'm picking the guy with 5 inches over the other guy. Why wouldn't I? It's like saying if there are two Erik Karlssons and one is 5'11" one is 6'5", which one would I take? Easy call.

What's the difference in weight between Wideman and Wiercoich? I'm guessing not a ton. Point I am making is he's a stick and that actually hurts him in terms of his hieght.

wprager wrote:The discussion about Wiercioch started the moment the Sens drafted him. He's been 200 for a couple years now. He will eventually add a few more pounds (I remember Patrice Brisebois being quite skinny early on, he filled out). You can out on a bit of weight, you cannot put on a few inches. That's what you meant when you said you can't teach size.

wprager wrote:I've seen Wiercioch; I've not seen Wideman. Wiercioch may be skinny but he will fill out a bit; Wideman is just small. Unless he can skate like Karlsson I don't like his chances. I've seen Wiercioch skate up-close and he is very good skating with the puck. Who else do we have as a puck-mover on the left side?

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:I've seen Wiercioch; I've not seen Wideman. Wiercioch may be skinny but he will fill out a bit; Wideman is just small. Unless he can skate like Karlsson I don't like his chances. I've seen Wiercioch skate up-close and he is very good skating with the puck. Who else do we have as a puck-mover on the left side?

He plays like Dan Boyle. No way do I think he ever gets to that level but that's how he plays the game.