2012 NHL Draft

Riprock wrote:And yet Matt Duchene was on a stacked team, but people still knew he was an elite player.

Riprock wrote:Brampton was awesome. I saw every single home game through a lens, and it was the best hockey I have seen. Sure, Windsor was the better team in the end, but the Battalion not only had Cody and Matt, but Grachev, and a solid shutdown defence of Brad Alberts and Matt Clark, not to mention the secondary scoring of Carrick and Stajan.

Man those were the days. Stan Butler is an amazing hockey builder.

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Riprock wrote:Ugh, that's an odd statement.

Figured you would be encouraging players that are winners.

I when top end talent fails to get things done or can't lead a team to victory, yah, there is something to be said. If Taylor Hall choked and couldn't win a OHL title, I would use that an excuse not to take him.

The best players tend to be on teams that dont win, expecially in jr. That why I think a guy like Finn may end up being a Sen because he just isn't playing right now. That's where you find the gems.

That doesn't make a lick of sense when you Dung on guys for being "losers' but ok.

Guys that don't reach expectations, that's my point. A guy like Spezza, 90% of the time does fail to do that. Another guy like that IMO will be like that is Sean Couturier.

A guy like Taylor Hall is a guy that always met expectations but always played on a winning team. Then there are guys like Scott Gleanie who are along for the ride and their stock goes sky high because of the team they are on, that's something you have to avoid in the draft.

The best players are the Matt Duchene's, Tyler Myers', Krieder's etc that don't get the extra attention before being drafted like others who play in the Memorial Cup. Yah, I am picking and choosing a bit but my point is guys that fail to meet expectations in Jr will very likely not meet them in the pro's. That's just how I view the draft. You want guys that make you go "wow, didn't know he had that in him" as opposed too "I was expecting more".

Riprock wrote:Brampton was awesome. I saw every single home game through a lens, and it was the best hockey I have seen. Sure, Windsor was the better team in the end, but the Battalion not only had Cody and Matt, but Grachev, and a solid shutdown defence of Brad Alberts and Matt Clark, not to mention the secondary scoring of Carrick and Stajan.

Man those were the days. Stan Butler is an amazing hockey builder.

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Riprock wrote:Ugh, that's an odd statement.

Figured you would be encouraging players that are winners.

I when top end talent fails to get things done or can't lead a team to victory, yah, there is something to be said. If Taylor Hall choked and couldn't win a OHL title, I would use that an excuse not to take him.

The best players tend to be on teams that dont win, expecially in jr. That why I think a guy like Finn may end up being a Sen because he just isn't playing right now. That's where you find the gems.

That doesn't make a lick of sense when you Dung on guys for being "losers' but ok.

Guys that don't reach expectations, that's my point. A guy like Spezza, 90% of the time does fail to do that. Another guy like that IMO will be like that is Sean Couturier.

A guy like Taylor Hall is a guy that always met expectations but always played on a winning team. Then there are guys like Scott Gleanie who are along for the ride and their stock goes sky high because of the team they are on, that's something you have to avoid in the draft.

The best players are the Matt Duchene's, Tyler Myers', Krieder's etc that don't get the extra attention before being drafted like others who play in the Memorial Cup. Yah, I am picking and choosing a bit but my point is guys that fail to meet expectations in Jr will very likely not meet them in the pro's. That's just how I view the draft. You want guys that make you go "wow, didn't know he had that in him" as opposed too "I was expecting more".

You see guys like Duchene declining in the NHL (people were and still are ridiculous for saying he would be better than Tavares) so it just depends on the player.

I want to draft guys who get better every year and have a nice development curve. I don't care if they're on a winning team or if they're on a losing team. Knocking a guy for being on a good team is stupid. Just look at the player himself. A guy like Reinhart or a guy like Maatta are on great teams but they have both exceeded expectations in these playoffs and have been dominant.

Riprock wrote:Yeah Hedman looks very overrated, mind you I don't see enough games, but vs. Ottawa he looked out of place and uncollected.

NEELY wrote:

Riprock wrote:Yeah Hedman looks very overrated, mind you I don't see enough games, but vs. Ottawa he looked out of place and uncollected.

I didn't like him at the WJC in Ottawa and when I said Karlsson was about 100 times better than he was a lot of people laughed it off.

wprager wrote:PF Chang? Any relation to Senor Chang?