2012 NHL Draft

wprager wrote:

shabbs wrote:3 1st overall picks in a row... incredible.

There really should be a rule against that. If you win the lottery you are not eligible next season; if you get 1st overall, you can't go higher than 5th next year. Something like that. At least the team picking 30th is clearly defined.

I dunno about that. not every year has the same pool of talent. and so far we haven't seen any teams tank on purpose to secure a number one overall. look at the way certain teams like the panthers or even columbus to some extent have ended up with selecting in the top 5 on a regular basis. it doesn't garantee playoff success.

I'm kinda happy thata team from a canadian market is getting the pittsburg treatment on drafting. maybe we're looking at another great franchise being built. is it fair? I dunno. but I don't think it guarantees any sort of success

I'm sick of hearing about Edmonton. They are a joke. There should be rule that prevents you from getting the top pick in consecutive years.

It made me puke seeing that big dumb grin on Tambellini's face last night. He should be ashamed of himself. They can draft all the forwards they like, but that team is going nowhere without some legit d-men and a starting goalie.

tim1_2 wrote:I'm sick of hearing about Edmonton. They are a joke. There should be rule that prevents you from getting the top pick in consecutive years.

It made me puke seeing that big dumb grin on Tambellini's face last night. He should be ashamed of himself. They can draft all the forwards they like, but that team is going nowhere without some legit d-men and a starting goalie.

Hell, even radio stations have that rule. If you win some hokey contest, you are not eligible to win for a month. If you get the 1st overall you should be automatically out of the top-5 the next year.

If Edmonton was smart, they'd trade that 1st overall pick to get a roster d-man and lower pick or a prospect. They have gobs of talent up front and need an experienced NHL d-man now. They can use the lower pick to grab an up and coming d-man for the future.

On the radio this morning, the idea of a trade with Chicago was tossed around. An Eberle for Seabrook sort of thing. Interesting idea. Would help both sides.

shabbs wrote:If Edmonton was smart, they'd trade that 1st overall pick to get a roster d-man and lower pick or a prospect. They have gobs of talent up front and need an experienced NHL d-man now. They can use the lower pick to grab an up and coming d-man for the future.

On the radio this morning, the idea of a trade with Chicago was tossed around. An Eberle for Seabrook sort of thing. Interesting idea. Would help both sides.

Best things the Oilers and Habs could do is swap picks and make Subban the piece going the other way. Edmonton is stacked from top to bottom with offensive prospects and they don't need anymore. You can build around what they have. If they play the entire game in their zone though that offense will be useless.

Montreal needs to get rid of Subban, don't care what fans, media, or whoever else say, that guy has bought into his own hype that is no where near what it should be and that's of an average NHL D man with a ton of potential. That's a player that needs to be moved on a team that needs to move him. Montreal is also screaming for a real star and that could be N.Y.

Edmonton then uses that pick to go out and grab Murray. They add 2 huge pieces to the back end and finally can start to progress as a team and not just "hope" everything works out in the end.

Also, there is no guarantee that Yakapov will be as good as Eberle. Stick with with what you know and that's a 21 year old kid who is basically a PPG player in Eberle. Way better than I actually thought he was.

NEELY wrote:

shabbs wrote:If Edmonton was smart, they'd trade that 1st overall pick to get a roster d-man and lower pick or a prospect. They have gobs of talent up front and need an experienced NHL d-man now. They can use the lower pick to grab an up and coming d-man for the future.

On the radio this morning, the idea of a trade with Chicago was tossed around. An Eberle for Seabrook sort of thing. Interesting idea. Would help both sides.

Best things the Oilers and Habs could do is swap picks and make Subban the piece going the other way. Edmonton is stacked from top to bottom with offensive prospects and they don't need anymore. You can build around what they have. If they play the entire game in their zone though that offense will be useless.

Montreal needs to get rid of Subban, don't care what fans, media, or whoever else say, that guy has bought into his own hype that is no where near what it should be and that's of an average NHL D man with a ton of potential. That's a player that needs to be moved on a team that needs to move him. Montreal is also screaming for a real star and that could be N.Y.

Edmonton then uses that pick to go out and grab Murray. They add 2 huge pieces to the back end and finally can start to progress as a team and not just "hope" everything works out in the end.

Montreal needs a big center more than another winger, though. And I doubt they give up on Subban (unless, of course, Serge sees it the same way as you do).

Montreal needs a star, they want it to be Subban, he's not a star. Anyways, that's just my take on it but Yakapov is a player Montreal needs IMO, not Subban. Yah, they need a center but you need someone who can score and right now they don't have anyone that can do that.

NEELY wrote:Montreal needs a star, they want it to be Subban, he's not a star. Anyways, that's just my take on it but Yakapov is a player Montreal needs IMO, not Subban. Yah, they need a center but you need someone who can score and right now they don't have anyone that can do that.

Pffffft. Gomez is due.

tim1_2 wrote:

NEELY wrote:Montreal needs a star, they want it to be Subban, he's not a star. Anyways, that's just my take on it but Yakapov is a player Montreal needs IMO, not Subban. Yah, they need a center but you need someone who can score and right now they don't have anyone that can do that.

Pffffft. Gomez is due.

For at least 1 goal...

Hey-O!!!

shabbs wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

NEELY wrote:Montreal needs a star, they want it to be Subban, he's not a star. Anyways, that's just my take on it but Yakapov is a player Montreal needs IMO, not Subban. Yah, they need a center but you need someone who can score and right now they don't have anyone that can do that.

Pffffft. Gomez is due.

For at least 1 goal...

Hey-O!!!

In all seriousness, they are hoping there is a buyout window with the new CBA. They need to bury a few contracts.

If it were Ottawa getting 1st overall pick year after year you'd all be fine with it lol. Don't lie - if the Sens sucked you'd want them getting the pick. When he Sens had the 5th overall pick Sens fans were pissed off about being screwed by the draft and lost their chance at RNH/Landeskog/Huberdeau/etc. then they draft Zibanejad and all of a sudden it's like we got the steal of the draft lol.

Need to relax a bit here fellow Sens fans.

Edmonton just was the wort team the past 3 seasons, plain and simple. They lucked out slightly moving up OBE spot this year in the draft. They still would have gotten a very good player. You can hate all you ant and say that they will continue to lose because they lack defence and goaltending, but can you really blame Tambelini for not setting the franchise back by trading for one? If the cost for a young franchise goalie like Schneider was Eberle, of course you can't blame him.

Fact is, they will get those players eventually. Edmonton is slowly becoming a place for FA's to play - lots of $$$ and young stars.

Riprock wrote:If it were Ottawa getting 1st overall pick year after year you'd all be fine with it lol. Don't lie - if the Sens sucked you'd want them getting the pick. When he Sens had the 5th overall pick Sens fans were pissed off about being screwed by the draft and lost their chance at RNH/Landeskog/Huberdeau/etc. then they draft Zibanejad and all of a sudden it's like we got the steal of the draft lol.

Need to relax a bit here fellow Sens fans.

Edmonton just was the wort team the past 3 seasons, plain and simple. They lucked out slightly moving up OBE spot this year in the draft. They still would have gotten a very good player. You can hate all you ant and say that they will continue to lose because they lack defence and goaltending, but can you really blame Tambelini for not setting the franchise back by trading for one? If the cost for a young franchise goalie like Schneider was Eberle, of course you can't blame him.

Fact is, they will get those players eventually. Edmonton is slowly becoming a place for FA's to play - lots of $$$ and young stars.

It's easy to pick the 1st overall, but much harder to pick 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th round players. Edmonton is an ace at picking 1st overalls though.

Oilers should be trading that pick, there is absolutely no way they can build a team without a commitment (small or otherwise) to building the back end.

NEELY wrote:Oilers should be trading that pick, there is absolutely no way they can build a team without a commitment (small or otherwise) to building the back end.

I can't imagine a scenario where they won't, unless they peg Yakupov as Hall's replacement when he gets his annual shoulder injury.

I like some of their pieces on the backend, Klefbom and Musil should both be solid, although unspectacular. They go well with Smid, but where's that dynamic player on the backend? Every team that wins a Cup has someone like that, whether it's Lidstrom/Kronwall, Boyle, Niedermayer, Pronger, Chara.

Maybe they're hoping they can get away with being a Carolina Hurricanes circa 06.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:Oilers should be trading that pick, there is absolutely no way they can build a team without a commitment (small or otherwise) to building the back end.

I can't imagine a scenario where they won't, unless they peg Yakupov as Hall's replacement when he gets his annual shoulder injury.

I like some of their pieces on the backend, Klefbom and Musil should both be solid, although unspectacular. They go well with Smid, but where's that dynamic player on the backend? Every team that wins a Cup has someone like that, whether it's Lidstrom/Kronwall, Boyle, Niedermayer, Pronger, Chara.

Maybe they're hoping they can get away with being a Carolina Hurricanes circa 06.

I'm talking about a trade for a young NHL D man or two. Like a Schenn and Gardnier, or Hamonick and Ninorider. Something along those lines. They need Yakapov like they need another last place finish. If Edmonton doesn't start building their blueline they will see a dynasty fall by the wasteside.

Riprock wrote:
Fact is, they will get those players eventually. Edmonton is slowly becoming a place for FA's to play - lots of $$$ and young stars.

What are you basing this on? The fact that they are no more competitive than they were three years ago? What FAs have they landed that make you think they are "becoming a place for FAs to play"?????

FAs not wanting to go there has more to do with the city being a cesspool than the team itself. Edmonton is not a nice city in the summer...let alone when it's -30 in the winter and blanketed in snow. REGULAR PEOPLE don't want to live there, let alone professional athletes with lots of money.

Sure, Edmonton can and should improve just given the development of their current young forwards, but they have gaping holes on their blueline and in their crease that won't be fixed unless they trade some of their current prospects/picks.

Seriously, Edmonton to this point shows absolutely no sign of improving and if it wasn't for a total cluster Diddle in Columbus this year they would have finished dead last again.

It's awesome having high end skill, sucks that they can never get the puck out of their own zone or keep it out of the back of the net.