Last weekend for Murray / Clouston

I seriously think PM would be a good GM, but I'm not restarting that debate (please).

Big Ev wrote:Pierre mentioned some names off the top of his head (not any rumours, just coaches he likes). Bob Boughner, Mike Eaves, and...somebody else, can't remember now.

Exactly. Very underwhelming list. The other guy was Kevin Dineen, if memory serves.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Pierre mentioned some names off the top of his head (not any rumours, just coaches he likes). Bob Boughner, Mike Eaves, and...somebody else, can't remember now.

Exactly. Very underwhelming list. The other guy was Kevin Dineen, if memory serves.

What did you want him to name like 20 people?

At least the title of this thread actually applies to Clouston now.

Big Ev wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Pierre mentioned some names off the top of his head (not any rumours, just coaches he likes). Bob Boughner, Mike Eaves, and...somebody else, can't remember now.

Exactly. Very underwhelming list. The other guy was Kevin Dineen, if memory serves.

What did you want him to name like 20 people?

Yeah, that's what I wanted.

By underwhelming, I mean there aren't any names that I see as being an improvement. But I really shouldn't have to explain that. And I certainly wouldn't expect 20 people, or even 10 because there just aren't that many coaches out there that would be an improvement over what we have already.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Pierre mentioned some names off the top of his head (not any rumours, just coaches he likes). Bob Boughner, Mike Eaves, and...somebody else, can't remember now.

Exactly. Very underwhelming list. The other guy was Kevin Dineen, if memory serves.

What did you want him to name like 20 people?

Yeah, that's what I wanted.

By underwhelming, I mean there aren't any names that I see as being an improvement. But I really shouldn't have to explain that. And I certainly wouldn't expect 20 people, or even 10 because there just aren't that many coaches out there that would be an improvement over what we have already.

Doesn't necessarily have to be an obvious improvement, they just wanna start fresh. Hence the term rebuild. Clouston's just milk that has been left out of the fridge for too long.

Big Ev wrote:
Doesn't necessarily have to be an obvious improvement, they just wanna start fresh. Hence the term rebuild. Clouston's just milk that has been left out of the fridge for too long.

Clouston didn't exactly have an ideal situation this year, but coaches have been let go for less.

They're just moving in a different direction and he's not in their plans that's all.

I think it's more interesting whether Carvel survives this time. He should write a book on keeping an NHL coaching job despite multiple GM/coach firings.

for some reason everyone feels the grass is greener without clouston....it's a bogus argument. I love melnyk, but that 'bad people' comment and him brown nosing cameron is a little sickening when Clouston is still there, clearly coaching his heart out. He wants to win and he wants to show the league he's a dependable guy and clearly the boys are responding in kind.

He's not the greatest coach but I too fail to see what these other coaches are doing that's so much better than what clouston is doing

Michallica wrote:for some reason everyone feels the grass is greener without clouston....it's a bogus argument. I love melnyk, but that 'bad people' comment and him brown nosing cameron is a little sickening when Clouston is still there, clearly coaching his heart out. He wants to win and he wants to show the league he's a dependable guy and clearly the boys are responding in kind.

He's not the greatest coach but I too fail to see what these other coaches are doing that's so much better than what clouston is doing

That's what Melnyk does. Kicks a guy when he's down. Look what he did to poor Marshy.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:for some reason everyone feels the grass is greener without clouston....it's a bogus argument. I love melnyk, but that 'bad people' comment and him brown nosing cameron is a little sickening when Clouston is still there, clearly coaching his heart out. He wants to win and he wants to show the league he's a dependable guy and clearly the boys are responding in kind.

He's not the greatest coach but I too fail to see what these other coaches are doing that's so much better than what clouston is doing

That's what Melnyk does. Kicks a guy when he's down. Look what he did to poor Marshy.

Stick to clouston....I already discredited your marshy theory yesterday

Michallica wrote:for some reason everyone feels the grass is greener without clouston....it's a bogus argument. I love melnyk, but that 'bad people' comment and him brown nosing cameron is a little sickening when Clouston is still there, clearly coaching his heart out. He wants to win and he wants to show the league he's a dependable guy and clearly the boys are responding in kind.

He's not the greatest coach but I too fail to see what these other coaches are doing that's so much better than what clouston is doing

So then why do people ever change coaches? Why did we bring in Hartsburg over Paddock, or Clouston over Hartsburg? What did Clouston ever do that said "he will be better than Hartsburg"?

Big Ev wrote:
So then why do people ever change coaches? Why did we bring in Hartsburg over Paddock, or Clouston over Hartsburg? What did Clouston ever do that said "he will be better than Hartsburg"?

Those coaches were in way over their head and totally lost control of the room. All knew Paddock knew what to do is play the Pizza Line for 20+ minutes a night. Hartsburg was the wrong choice too, kind of like John MacLean. Defense first system for an offensive team.

I thought Clouston would stick, something happened this year when he made us into a trap team.

Hoags wrote:

Big Ev wrote:
So then why do people ever change coaches? Why did we bring in Hartsburg over Paddock, or Clouston over Hartsburg? What did Clouston ever do that said "he will be better than Hartsburg"?

Those coaches were in way over their head and totally lost control of the room. All knew Paddock knew what to do is play the Pizza Line for 20+ minutes a night. Hartsburg was the wrong choice too, kind of like John MacLean. Defense first system for an offensive team.

I thought Clouston would stick, something happened this year when he made us into a trap team.

Perhaps it was to make up for really Dung goal tending.

I hope Cameron isn't so into the trap style of play. By what Melynk said the other day it sounds like he is. I remember him claiming that Cameron can win tough 1-0 games (with St. Mikes) but if they find themselves down by 3 he can turn them loose and they'll end up tying the game and winning it in OT.

strachattack wrote:

Hoags wrote:

I thought Clouston would stick, something happened this year when he made us into a trap team.

Perhaps it was to make up for really Dung goal tending.

I hope Cameron isn't so into the trap style of play. By what Melynk said the other day it sounds like he is. I remember him claiming that Cameron can win tough 1-0 games (with St. Mikes) but if they find themselves down by 3 he can turn them loose and they'll end up tying the game and winning it in OT.

The trap is definitely Cameron's thing from what I've read. Should be fun times in Ottawa.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
The trap is definitely Cameron's thing from what I've read. Should be fun times in Ottawa.

Murray seemed to allude to this team become a "puck possession team" when acquiring Gonchar in the offseason, yet Clouston has using the trap pretty much all year, probably due to zero confidence in the goaltending. Makes me wonder if that caused some heated arguments between coach and GM.

Kind of like CC briefly using EK on the left side on the PP



He'd score goals like that but we'd give up lots of SH breakaways (which Elliott would usually let in). Our PP rarely looked like this.

(That's my favorite EK goal this year -- what a rocket).

That was a Cussing laser beam. Good post, Hoags.

Did you watch the World Juniors? Cameron didn't really use a trap. They wanted everybody to forecheck and keep the puck in the offensive zone at all times. Guys lik Foligno and Cizikis.

Big Ev wrote:Did you watch the World Juniors? Cameron didn't really use a trap. They wanted everybody to forecheck and keep the puck in the offensive zone at all times. Guys lik Foligno and Cizikis.

The only thing I remember was the meltdown against the Russians. I bet Cameron had nothing to do with that.