Don't Blame it on the ...

CockRoche wrote:
You're right. It is a less than ideal situation when you look at it like that, but something that can be overcome if placed with the right linemates; he can still impress. Butler should have an energy and emotional reserve to draw from in times like this.

If Butler is placed on the 4th line, I think that is where there will too many things to try to overcome to look good.

Yeah, the least they can do to give Butler the proper look is to put him with Spezza at all times (except PK). Hopefully Butler's young enough to take advantage of live legs and get in there. Plus, I assume his adrenalin will be maxed out this aft.

Michallica wrote:I wonder who sits...i guess shannon but he played well in my books last night. Sit down foligno

Foligno had a strong game last night, I thought, as did many of our guys. That Neil-Winchester-Foligno line was the only one hitting and creating space for itself out there, really. Phillips was strong, ditto Alfie.

I don't know who you sit. Foligno or Regin, to say that they have to pick up their production; Fisher, because he's clearly still injured and can't do a lot of hitting; or Shannon, because in spite of his effort, he's not doing a whole lot. Ruutu is a definite candidate in my mind, personally. Ruutu or Shannon. Long shot on Foligno or Regin.

rooneypoo wrote:

Michallica wrote:I wonder who sits...i guess shannon but he played well in my books last night. Sit down foligno

Foligno had a strong game last night, I thought, as did many of our guys. That Neil-Winchester-Foligno line was the only one hitting and creating space for itself out there, really. Phillips was strong, ditto Alfie.

I don't know who you sit. Foligno or Regin, to say that they have to pick up their production; Fisher, because he's clearly still injured and can't do a lot of hitting; or Shannon, because in spite of his effort, he's not doing a whole lot. Ruutu is a definite candidate in my mind, personally. Ruutu or Shannon. Long shot on Foligno or Regin.

yeah I meant more because of that. Despite efforts, 2 goals in 27 games is no way for these guys to go about business. But I do think they need to sit one of the injured, though there was alot of jump in alfie and fisher's games yesterday. Ruutu though has been pretty bad, but I don't think they sit him (trade bait perhaps?)

I hope they don't sit Foligno, he's been fine, just can't find the net.

With 20-20 hindsight, I'll offer my explanation of why it was Regin over Foligno. Neither one is producing, but Foligno has something over Regin -- he can crash and bang pretty well.

Similarly, Shannon has blazing speed that can create chances and draw penalties.

Regin has to produce or sit.

I think the only reason Shannon wasn't sat over Regin is because he had family coming to this game.

Foligno is next if he can't start scoring some goals soon.

Big Ev wrote:I think the only reason Shannon wasn't sat over Regin is because he had family coming to this game.

Foligno is next if he can't start scoring some goals soon.

Did u see Shannon play today? He was great, so good thing he was in the lineup

Michallica wrote:

Big Ev wrote:I think the only reason Shannon wasn't sat over Regin is because he had family coming to this game.

Foligno is next if he can't start scoring some goals soon.

Did u see Shannon play today? He was great, so good thing he was in the lineup

He wasn't a reason why they won...on most teams he would be in the AHL probably.

Big Ev wrote:

Michallica wrote:

Big Ev wrote:I think the only reason Shannon wasn't sat over Regin is because he had family coming to this game.

Foligno is next if he can't start scoring some goals soon.

Did u see Shannon play today? He was great, so good thing he was in the lineup

He wasn't a reason why they won...on most teams he would be in the AHL probably.

You could say the same thing about Regin at this point though.

Shannon has been fine in a limited role and is one of the only players that brings speed to this roster.

wprager wrote:With 20-20 hindsight, I'll offer my explanation of why it was Regin over Foligno. Neither one is producing, but Foligno has something over Regin -- he can crash and bang pretty well.

Similarly, Shannon has blazing speed that can create chances and draw penalties.

Regin has to produce or sit.

Exactly.

Shannon is a pitbull. The guy is tenacious out there and does not lack aggressiveness despite his size. And he has a very good wrist shot, or shot in general. And he used it. Guy takes too much guff for a cheap veteran 4th line player that can play pretty much anywhere.

Dash wrote:Shannon is a pitbull. The guy is tenacious out there and does not lack aggressiveness despite his size. And he has a very good wrist shot, or shot in general. And he used it. Guy takes too much guff for a cheap veteran 4th line player that can play pretty much anywhere.

That guy has done everything and more that we could have possibly expected. I can't imagine what anyone has to complain about concerning his play, especially when you consider his salary and ice time (every second of which he earns, if you ask me).

Dash wrote:Shannon is a pitbull. The guy is tenacious out there and does not lack aggressiveness despite his size. And he has a very good wrist shot, or shot in general. And he used it. Guy takes too much guff for a cheap veteran 4th line player that can play pretty much anywhere.

Reminds me of a play in the third, I think. He was standing in (or near) the crease, looking for a loose puck. Rangers D came over and (I thought) slammed his elbow right into his head (from pretty much a standstill, so not a vicious shot or anything). I fully expected Shannon to be knocked down but he just absorbed the hit, moved a couple of feet but pushed right back into the crease.

Dash wrote:Shannon is a pitbull. The guy is tenacious out there and does not lack aggressiveness despite his size. And he has a very good wrist shot, or shot in general. And he used it. Guy takes too much guff for a cheap veteran 4th line player that can play pretty much anywhere.

Finally...I wish people would give him more of a chance sometimes. He's skilled, speedy and he works his tail off.

Shannon's got a pretty good wrister too. I think he's great on the 4th line and brings tons of speed. He really worked hard in the off-season to improve his game and I think we can see a real difference in last season and now. Good for him.

It just goes to show you though that Clouston's boys who he trusts (and vice-versa) will give it their all every game (see Shannon, Elliott, Carkner). The rest of the team needs to start buying into the coach, then maybe we wouldn't suck so much.

Michallica wrote:The rest of the team needs to start buying into the coach, then maybe we wouldn't suck so much.

Like every player in the top 6.

rooneypoo wrote:

Dash wrote:Shannon is a pitbull. The guy is tenacious out there and does not lack aggressiveness despite his size. And he has a very good wrist shot, or shot in general. And he used it. Guy takes too much guff for a cheap veteran 4th line player that can play pretty much anywhere.

That guy has done everything and more that we could have possibly expected. I can't imagine what anyone has to complain about concerning his play, especially when you consider his salary and ice time (every second of which he earns, if you ask me).

I just think a guy with his skill/speed is wasted on the 4th line...so I thought maybe Butler could take his spot then switch him with Foligno.