Canucks sign Raymond to 1yr/$2.275

1 year, 2.275 for Raymond.

Makes the Foligno signing look even better.

Hopefully not a comparable for Regin...

Raymond is also older, a better sniper and a much better skater than Foligno . Two different players, but definitely both worth it to their respective teams.

I didn't realize he had 25 goals, holy cow.

Yup, he's definitely a guy they can't afford to lose. With money tied up with the Sedins and Luongo, and that sick defence (top 4 at least), they need all the help they can up front and will heavily rely on their young guys.

I'd say they are still a defence first team though (Malhotra's signing would suggest that).

Kovalfie wrote:Hopefully not a comparable for Regin...

His goal and point totals are both almost double Regin's. If he's a comparable, it'd be in the sense that Regin should get a little over half of what Raymond makes.

Granted, Raymond's production was equivalent to Regin's in the playoffs, but in twice times as many games.

asq2 wrote:

Kovalfie wrote:Hopefully not a comparable for Regin...

His goal and point totals are both almost double Regin's. If he's a comparable, it'd be in the sense that Regin should get a little over half of what Raymond makes.

Granted, Raymond's production was equivalent to Regin's in the playoffs, but in twice times as many games.

Leads us right back to the 1.2 million dollars ear-marked for Regin.

Totally unrelated, but I'm arguing with a Flames fan now on HB who says that if Spezza went from Ottawa to Calgary he'd have a production hike of about 15 points (the exact number was going from being a 75 point guy to a 90 point guy).

In the course of the discussion he told me that Heatley and Spezza played more than half of the 2008-2009 season on different lines. I know Heatley played on the second powerplay unit toward the end of the season with Fisher and someone else, but I can't believe that statement was the case. Granted I don't have an eidetic memory from game to game, so can anyone here tell me if I'm wrong?

EDIT: Sorry for derailing the thread but it looked like it was going to be the case with a Regin discussion anyway.

asq2 wrote:Totally unrelated, but I'm arguing with a Flames fan now on HB who says that if Spezza went from Ottawa to Calgary he'd have a production hike of about 15 points (the exact number was going from being a 75 point guy to a 90 point guy).

In the course of the discussion he told me that Heatley and Spezza played more than half of the 2008-2009 season on different lines. I know Heatley played on the second powerplay unit toward the end of the season with Fisher and someone else, but I can't believe that statement was the case. Granted I don't have an eidetic memory from game to game, so can anyone here tell me if I'm wrong?

EDIT: Sorry for derailing the thread but it looked like it was going to be the case with a Regin discussion anyway.

Heatley and Spezza played on the same line all of 2008-09, for 100% sure. The only time they weren't playing together was on the PP, for about the last 20 games or so. Maybe 25 games. Shortly after Clouston arrived, at any rate.

I know there were times when whoever the coach(es) were at the time, that sometimes the big three were split up. I don't think it was for an entire half season though. Again, like you, I can't recall these things, hell I can't even remember last week sometimes.

asq2 wrote:Totally unrelated, but I'm arguing with a Flames fan now on HB who says that if Spezza went from Ottawa to Calgary he'd have a production hike of about 15 points (the exact number was going from being a 75 point guy to a 90 point guy).

In the course of the discussion he told me that Heatley and Spezza played more than half of the 2008-2009 season on different lines. I know Heatley played on the second powerplay unit toward the end of the season with Fisher and someone else, but I can't believe that statement was the case. Granted I don't have an eidetic memory from game to game, so can anyone here tell me if I'm wrong?

EDIT: Sorry for derailing the thread but it looked like it was going to be the case with a Regin discussion anyway.

First of all - what is he basing that on? Surely not *just* basing that on Iginla when we had Alfredsson and Heatley. The Flames are one of the most woeful teams for scoring period, let alone bringing someone in and expecting it to increase, that's laughable.

Also, Phaneuf was a massive part of their team, without him smashing pucks from the back end on the PP - coupled with the Sens acquiring Gonchar makes the gap look like a chasm.

I find it very odd that someone would be claiming that Spezza would get an increase like that on a team like the Flames which has zero direction.

As far as I remember the Heatley, Spezza, Alfredsson was together for 90% of the season, but NOT on the PP.

I don't think heatley and spezza were ever separated for more than a couple of games or so. If anything, Alfie used to be separated from those two.

SpezDispenser wrote:First of all - what is he basing that on? Surely not *just* basing that on Iginla when we had Alfredsson and Heatley. The Flames are one of the most woeful teams for scoring period, let alone bringing someone in and expecting it to increase, that's laughable.

Also, Phaneuf was a massive part of their team, without him smashing pucks from the back end on the PP - coupled with the Sens acquiring Gonchar makes the gap look like a chasm.

I find it very odd that someone would be claiming that Spezza would get an increase like that on a team like the Flames which has zero direction.

As far as I remember the Heatley, Spezza, Alfredsson was together for 90% of the season, but NOT on the PP.

I think he means that Spezza on the Sens right now is a 75 point guy but on the Flames with Iginla and Bourque is a 90 point guy. I think he's assuming that Heatley, rather than Alfredsson, was the most important piece for Spezza's production. When I said that the "aging" Alfie had a better offensive season than Iginla last year he dismissed it as "secondary assists to Spezza and Michalek."

Anyway, thanks for letting me assure myself I'm not losing my memory/going insane.

asq2 wrote:
I think he means that Spezza on the Sens right now is a 75 point guy but on the Flames with Iginla and Bourque is a 90 point guy. I think he's assuming that Heatley, rather than Alfredsson, was the most important piece for Spezza's production. When I said that the "aging" Alfie had a better offensive season than Iginla last year he dismissed it as "a bunch of secondary assists to Spezza and Michalek."

Anyway, thanks for letting me assure myself I'm not losing my memory/going insane.

Holy trolly?

Actually, I re-read his posts and he didn't say "a bunch of." So that's a misquote by me.