Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

SeawaySensFan wrote:I've been of the opinion that they could probably help each other for some time. I've posted as much.

So have I - and it's time. Enough is enough. It's time to see what we have. What hurt can it do if he's with Spezza and Michelek? Spezza's stone cold (again) and Michelek will score no matter what. Get Cheechoo with them and let them build some chemistry and some confidence. Get Alfie back with Fisher and Kovalev.

Diddle...please.

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:
Same amount of goals though, hmmmm. Who's the under achiever eh...

The goal-scorer.

not the play-maker

SpezDispenser wrote:I want him to succeed BADLY. And it's 100% time to have him with Fisher or Spezza and another decent winger. We could use him to succeed more than anything with the exception of Spezza getting going.

I'd pair him with Spezza if only to try and get #19 going. Michalek and Alfie can't seem to do it. What have we got to lose, we have 2 highly paid underachieving scorers, that HAVE to get going if we're going to do any damage in the post season.

Heck try and pair Cheech with Alfie ? I think Alfie can pretty much inspire anyone out there. I don't believe that has been tried.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I want him to succeed BADLY. And it's 100% time to have him with Fisher or Spezza and another decent winger. We could use him to succeed more than anything with the exception of Spezza getting going.

I'd pair him with Spezza if only to try and get #19 going. Michalek and Alfie can't seem to do it. What have we got to lose, we have 2 highly paid underachieving scorers, that HAVE to get going if we're going to do any damage in the post season.

Heck try and pair Cheech with Alfie ? I think Alfie can pretty much inspire anyone out there. I don't believe that has been tried.

Cheechoo, Alfie and Fisher. Good, let's do it. Kovalev with Spezza and Michalek. I'm fine with that too - as long as Cheechoo gets the ample time to see if he can get his career back.

Here, I'll sum it up. What's more concerning long term for The Sens, what Spezza has been doing the last 3 years (3 straights years of decline in production, 2 with Heatley) with an NTC at 7 mil, or Cheechoo decling as a hockey player who is making 3 mil for max, a year and 1/2 more who doesnt have an NTC and could possibly be bought out...

This is a no brainer.

N4L wrote:Here, I'll sum it up. What's more concerning long term for The Sens, what Spezza has been doing the last 3 years (3 straights years of decline in production, 2 with Heatley) with an NTC at 7 mil, or Cheechoo decling as a hockey player who is making 3 mil for max, a year and 1/2 more who doesnt have an NTC and could possibly be bought out...

This is a no brainer.

Both are problems.

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Here, I'll sum it up. What's more concerning long term for The Sens, what Spezza has been doing the last 3 years (3 straights years of decline in production, 2 with Heatley) with an NTC at 7 mil, or Cheechoo decling as a hockey player who is making 3 mil for max, a year and 1/2 more who doesnt have an NTC and could possibly be bought out...

This is a no brainer.

Both are problems.

Cheechoo is not a long term problem for The Sens for one, and the question was, what's more concerning, you didnt answer.

Spezza is playing with an injury and last year Hartsburg ruined everyone's season. Paddock wasn't exactly a genius behind the bench either.

I don't think Spezza, Michalek, Alfie have much chemistry, not sure what else to say really.

N4L wrote:Here, I'll sum it up. What's more concerning long term for The Sens, what Spezza has been doing the last 3 years (3 straights years of decline in production, 2 with Heatley) with an NTC at 7 mil, or Cheechoo decling as a hockey player who is making 3 mil for max, a year and 1/2 more who doesnt have an NTC and could possibly be bought out...

This is a no brainer.

Agreed. I wonder what's up with Spezza. His numbers with Alfie out of the line-up are even worse. We could be in for a really long and terrible ride if Spezza doesn't regain his form.

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Here, I'll sum it up. What's more concerning long term for The Sens, what Spezza has been doing the last 3 years (3 straights years of decline in production, 2 with Heatley) with an NTC at 7 mil, or Cheechoo decling as a hockey player who is making 3 mil for max, a year and 1/2 more who doesnt have an NTC and could possibly be bought out...

This is a no brainer.

Both are problems.

Cheechoo is not a long term problem for The Sens for one, and the question was, what's more concerning, you didnt answer.

Spezza's the much bigger problem of course. It's becoming an issue.

Hoags wrote:Spezza is playing with an injury and last year Hartsburg ruined everyone's season. Paddock wasn't exactly a genius behind the bench either.

I don't think Spezza, Michalek, Alfie have much chemistry, not sure what else to say really.

So who does Spezza have chemistry with besides Heatley? He had it with Alfi so where is it now? Can a 37 year old cpatian on his decline not inflate Spezza's stats anymore?

Spezza was a product of Alfi in his prime and Heatley in his. That's it. He isnt a 7 million dollar player, he isnt a number 1 center, he has never been as good as he has been made out to be. That's my opinion but so far there's a lot more basis behind that then the "I believe in Spezza, nummer 19, what my jersey says"

I said Heatley frigging quit on his team back last feb and people reacted the same way, I get a hate on and everyone says "you just hate him". Nope call it like I see it and Spezza is nothing special.

You dont see me here pumping Cheechoo's tires like he's going to come around and score 30 or 40 again. Ive seen what he is doing on the ice and he will continue to play in The NHL when his contract is up, but it will be as a 4th line guy who can chip in here and there, that's it.

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Here, I'll sum it up. What's more concerning long term for The Sens, what Spezza has been doing the last 3 years (3 straights years of decline in production, 2 with Heatley) with an NTC at 7 mil, or Cheechoo decling as a hockey player who is making 3 mil for max, a year and 1/2 more who doesnt have an NTC and could possibly be bought out...

This is a no brainer.

Both are problems.

Cheechoo is not a long term problem for The Sens for one, and the question was, what's more concerning, you didnt answer.

Spezza's the much bigger problem of course. It's becoming an issue.

Becoming?

4 game sweep against Pitts it was an issue, last year not making the playoffs it was a concern, now, it's a problem because he isnt making the team better. Not making The Sens worse, not making them better.

I would say Cheechoo being in the lineup is having more of an effect on the bottom 6 guys because of the fear of losing their spots then Spezza up on the top line.

N4L wrote:Becoming?

4 game sweep against Pitts it was an issue, last year not making the playoffs it was a concern, now, it's a problem because he isnt making the team better. Not making The Sens worse, not making them better.

I would say Cheechoo being in the lineup is having more of an effect on the bottom 6 guys because of the fear of losing their spots then Spezza up on the top line.

At least he can still pass, but yes, it's time to put up some numbers.

Kovalfie wrote:

N4L wrote:Here, I'll sum it up. What's more concerning long term for The Sens, what Spezza has been doing the last 3 years (3 straights years of decline in production, 2 with Heatley) with an NTC at 7 mil, or Cheechoo decling as a hockey player who is making 3 mil for max, a year and 1/2 more who doesnt have an NTC and could possibly be bought out...

This is a no brainer.

Agreed. I wonder what's up with Spezza. His numbers with Alfie out of the line-up are even worse. We could be in for a really long and terrible ride if Spezza doesn't regain his form.

Regian what form though? What is he doing that's so different offensivly that he was doing before? Not a whole lot. He doesnt have Heatley to pass to, he doesnt have an in his prime Alfi, he doesnt have a huge shot from the point in Chara, and he doesnt have the puck mover Redden was when Spezza was putting up those insane numbers.

Spezza has never been as good as his numbers and now most of his crutches are gone and he has come crashing to the ground.

Anyways, before this gets out of hand into another insane Spezza thread, point Im trying to make is Cheechoo is not a REAL problem for The Sens. Spezza is right now.

N4L I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

You seem to be implying that any centre in the league could have put up those numbers playing with Heatley and Alfie back in the day.... not a chance.

You also seem to be implying that Spezza is nothing special when he's considering one of the best playmakers in the league behind only Thornton and perhaps Savard.

As for chemistry it's an unpredictable funny thing. The Sharks killer line of Marleau, Thornton and Heatley wasn't working early on and McLellan split them up and now it is working.

#1 centres in the league are always paired with the team's top wingers on the first line and obviously have chemistry together. Would Stamkos be putting up such crazy numbers if he didn't have good chemistry with Malone and St.Louis ?

As for "pumping Cheechoo's tires" I believe in giving the guy a better chance to suceed, same with #19.

If a player is slumping and not living up to expectations you rotate the lines to mix things up or make a trade to find someone who perhaps they will click with. You don't don't label them a flop and dismiss their past successes as an anomaly.

Like you, I call it like I see it.

N4L wrote:You dont see me here pumping Cheechoo's tires like he's going to come around and score 30 or 40 again.

Actually, there was a lot of discussion when the trade was finalized that Cheechoo could return to 30 goal form (though not 40). Remember how 20 was supposed to be a guarantee?

asq2 wrote:

N4L wrote:You dont see me here pumping Cheechoo's tires like he's going to come around and score 30 or 40 again.

Actually, there was a lot of discussion when the trade was finalized that Cheechoo could return to 30 goal form (though not 40). Remember how 20 was supposed to be a guarantee?

He'd be on a 20 goal pace if he didnt hit the crossbar and posts a few times.