Carrie Underwood about Mike Fisher on "Ellen"

He's a good Christian boy though. No sex before marriage.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He's a good Christian boy though. No sex before marriage.

He just clears his conscience by calling Carrie a Jezebel after he's done with her.

This thread is going downhill fast...

Excellent.

shabbs wrote:This thread is going downhill fast...

Excellent.

You could almost say it's going Under...wood.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

shabbs wrote:This thread is going downhill fast...

Excellent.

You could almost say it's going Under...wood.

Indeed.

Vandelay wrote:

hemlock wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Poor Fisher. With his religous background he'll be devistated, if they get married, when they eventually divorce, as most hollywood marriages end up.

I wonder if Fisher doesn't tie the knot with her for that very reason?

I don't think he would risk being happy for the rest of his life for fear of divorcing. That's not the way to think of it when you think of getting married.

I have confidence that these two would be great together for many many years. They have a lot in common and enough different tastes to keep it interesting. And they're both hot too, which helps. (I don't know if that's relevant, but it's true)

I agree with you but, marrying into Hollywood is marrying into a high risk group for divorce. Even the ones that last more than 10 years still find a way to screw it up.

You'd have to think it's in the back of his mind. Kinda like this is a nice ride but there's no real future in it kinda thoughts? Who knows? Maybe it started that way and is starting to change now?

Maybe. I think it's different though with Hockey Players going out with Hollywood stars. It's a different set of circumstances, IMO. Hockey players can't go out to clubs all the time like hollywood stars can. Carrie isn't a Hollywood star necessarily, she isn't in movies meeting hot actors all the time, she's mostly touring, and when she's not touring she's here to spend time with Mike. Same goes for him. And the fact that they are both devout Christians is serious and I don't see them as the type to go out clubbing without their significant other, or even at all. I think they're good.

Hollywood stars that film a movie every 3 months is a very different story though, they meet so many different stars and there are very intimate moments between them. The only time Carrie would get intimate with another man that isn't Mike would be for a video.

The fact that they are devout Christians means nothing when talking about divorce. Several Christians groups have a higher divorce rate than athiests, and other religious denominations. Evangelical Christians are least likely to divorce though of all, based on faith.

The Barna Research Group has done extensive research into this breaking it down by age, location etc etc.

Point is, a Christian marriage is no more or less stable than marriages in other faith/non-faith groups.

Statistics like that can be quite misleading. And statements like "a Christian marriage is no more or less stable than marriages in other faith/non-faith groups" is quite presumptuous.

How many people when asked if they are religious will say "I'm Catholic" simply because of their background or just by default yet are not really religious?

Determining whether or not someone is a devout Christian is virtually impossible no matter how well you know them and how often the attend church or talk about their faith etc. For example, this girl being asked a question about moving in together before marriage, she makes no mention of her faith as the reason for not wanting to. I would be very surprised if Fisher didn't clearly state his beliefs in that regard if faced with the same question. Now, does that mean she isn't a Christian? No idea.

You understand what devout means right? Devout people of ANY faith (and non faith) are pretty clear on their positions. Most people don't have to hide their religious convictions unless it affects a part of their life, such as a job. This is why you don't hear of any openly athiest politicians. Or many scientists say they believe in god, or certain religious dogmas (there are some, notably Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the Human Genome project).

I'd say the majority of people who hide their religious beliefs are those who either don't have any, or are unsure of them(agnostics/athiests). Generally speaking, it's still unfashionable to have openly athiest beliefs. It's only in the last few decades that it's become reasonably acceptable to criticize religion openly.

How exactly can you call my statement presumptuous when I backed it up with a survey? Research it, the numbers are there. Google the Barna Research group. Of the people they surveyed, those people actually classified themselves into each religious "category", so there is certainly quite a substantial amount of validity to it. I agree that there are people just lump themselves into a group, such as Catholics, even if they aren't practicing Catholics, but just because they were brought up that way, but my point was about DEVOUT Christians as the poster brought up in reference to Mike Fisher and Carrie Underwood.

Spin it how ever you want but someone who refuses to admit to or discuss their own religious beliefs is NOT devout. Yes, it's a private thing for alot of people, but for the devout, it's something quite different. A prime example (albeit extreme) of this is the Westboro Baptist Church.

Religious discussion has no place in a thread that bears the name of that sodomite, Ellen!!!!

Religion, politics, abortion, sex, drugs and rock 'n roll... let's get it all out in this thread...

shabbs wrote:Religion, politics, abortion, sex, drugs and rock 'n roll... let's get it all out in this thread...

Seriously actually. We don't touch politics, sex etc. on this forum. We have to be very careful.

Thanks guys!

SeawaySensFan wrote:Religious discussion has no place in a thread that bears the name of that sodomite, Ellen!!!!

Sodomite.

It's a fine day when you can slip that into a conversation.

SpezDispenser wrote:

shabbs wrote:Religion, politics, abortion, sex, drugs and rock 'n roll... let's get it all out in this thread...

Seriously actually. We don't touch politics, sex etc. on this forum. We have to be very careful.

Thanks guys!

No sex talk? Damnit, I was going to regale you all with my Angry Pirate story.

hemlock wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Religious discussion has no place in a thread that bears the name of that sodomite, Ellen!!!!

Sodomite.

It's a fine day when you can slip that into a conversation.

Life's good.

hemlock wrote:

Vandelay wrote:

hemlock wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Poor Fisher. With his religous background he'll be devistated, if they get married, when they eventually divorce, as most hollywood marriages end up.

I wonder if Fisher doesn't tie the knot with her for that very reason?

I don't think he would risk being happy for the rest of his life for fear of divorcing. That's not the way to think of it when you think of getting married.

I have confidence that these two would be great together for many many years. They have a lot in common and enough different tastes to keep it interesting. And they're both hot too, which helps. (I don't know if that's relevant, but it's true)

I agree with you but, marrying into Hollywood is marrying into a high risk group for divorce. Even the ones that last more than 10 years still find a way to screw it up.

You'd have to think it's in the back of his mind. Kinda like this is a nice ride but there's no real future in it kinda thoughts? Who knows? Maybe it started that way and is starting to change now?

Maybe. I think it's different though with Hockey Players going out with Hollywood stars. It's a different set of circumstances, IMO. Hockey players can't go out to clubs all the time like hollywood stars can. Carrie isn't a Hollywood star necessarily, she isn't in movies meeting hot actors all the time, she's mostly touring, and when she's not touring she's here to spend time with Mike. Same goes for him. And the fact that they are both devout Christians is serious and I don't see them as the type to go out clubbing without their significant other, or even at all. I think they're good.

Hollywood stars that film a movie every 3 months is a very different story though, they meet so many different stars and there are very intimate moments between them. The only time Carrie would get intimate with another man that isn't Mike would be for a video.

The fact that they are devout Christians means nothing when talking about divorce. Several Christians groups have a higher divorce rate than athiests, and other religious denominations. Evangelical Christians are least likely to divorce though of all, based on faith.

The Barna Research Group has done extensive research into this breaking it down by age, location etc etc.

Point is, a Christian marriage is no more or less stable than marriages in other faith/non-faith groups.

Statistics like that can be quite misleading. And statements like "a Christian marriage is no more or less stable than marriages in other faith/non-faith groups" is quite presumptuous.

How many people when asked if they are religious will say "I'm Catholic" simply because of their background or just by default yet are not really religious?

Determining whether or not someone is a devout Christian is virtually impossible no matter how well you know them and how often the attend church or talk about their faith etc. For example, this girl being asked a question about moving in together before marriage, she makes no mention of her faith as the reason for not wanting to. I would be very surprised if Fisher didn't clearly state his beliefs in that regard if faced with the same question. Now, does that mean she isn't a Christian? No idea.

You understand what devout means right? Devout people of ANY faith (and non faith) are pretty clear on their positions. Most people don't have to hide their religious convictions unless it affects a part of their life, such as a job. This is why you don't hear of any openly athiest politicians. Or many scientists say they believe in god, or certain religious dogmas (there are some, notably Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the Human Genome project).

I'd say the majority of people who hide their religious beliefs are those who either don't have any, or are unsure of them(agnostics/athiests). Generally speaking, it's still unfashionable to have openly athiest beliefs. It's only in the last few decades that it's become reasonably acceptable to criticize religion openly.

How exactly can you call my statement presumptuous when I backed it up with a survey? Research it, the numbers are there. Google the Barna Research group. Of the people they surveyed, those people actually classified themselves into each religious "category", so there is certainly quite a substantial amount of validity to it. I agree that there are people just lump themselves into a group, such as Catholics, even if they aren't practicing Catholics, but just because they were brought up that way, but my point was about DEVOUT Christians as the poster brought up in reference to Mike Fisher and Carrie Underwood.

Spin it how ever you want but someone who refuses to admit to or discuss their own religious beliefs is NOT devout. Yes, it's a private thing for alot of people, but for the devout, it's something quite different. A prime example (albeit extreme) of this is the Westboro Baptist Church.

Well, maybe I should leave this one alone, as SpezD said these sort of topics aren't allowed. I guess he can delete this post if need be.

Anyway, I basically agree with what you're saying and I understand where the figures come from. My point in regards to "devout Christians" is that there aren't really any degrees of faith. Either you believe and as a result, buy into it completely or you don't believe. That's why I mentioned that you can't really gage whether or not someone is a Christian regardless of how well you know them. Example: how many catholic priests are there that appear very devout (devoting their life to the church, afterall) and then it comes out that they've been doing things they shouldn't be (to put it very lightly)...would you call that priest a devout catholic?

Anyway, I meant no offense with my previous post. I love discussing both philosophy and theology but feel free to remove this post or stone me....whatever the need may be.

*picks up stone*

Vandelay wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Vandelay wrote:

hemlock wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Poor Fisher. With his religous background he'll be devistated, if they get married, when they eventually divorce, as most hollywood marriages end up.

I wonder if Fisher doesn't tie the knot with her for that very reason?

I don't think he would risk being happy for the rest of his life for fear of divorcing. That's not the way to think of it when you think of getting married.

I have confidence that these two would be great together for many many years. They have a lot in common and enough different tastes to keep it interesting. And they're both hot too, which helps. (I don't know if that's relevant, but it's true)

I agree with you but, marrying into Hollywood is marrying into a high risk group for divorce. Even the ones that last more than 10 years still find a way to screw it up.

You'd have to think it's in the back of his mind. Kinda like this is a nice ride but there's no real future in it kinda thoughts? Who knows? Maybe it started that way and is starting to change now?

Maybe. I think it's different though with Hockey Players going out with Hollywood stars. It's a different set of circumstances, IMO. Hockey players can't go out to clubs all the time like hollywood stars can. Carrie isn't a Hollywood star necessarily, she isn't in movies meeting hot actors all the time, she's mostly touring, and when she's not touring she's here to spend time with Mike. Same goes for him. And the fact that they are both devout Christians is serious and I don't see them as the type to go out clubbing without their significant other, or even at all. I think they're good.

Hollywood stars that film a movie every 3 months is a very different story though, they meet so many different stars and there are very intimate moments between them. The only time Carrie would get intimate with another man that isn't Mike would be for a video.

The fact that they are devout Christians means nothing when talking about divorce. Several Christians groups have a higher divorce rate than athiests, and other religious denominations. Evangelical Christians are least likely to divorce though of all, based on faith.

The Barna Research Group has done extensive research into this breaking it down by age, location etc etc.

Point is, a Christian marriage is no more or less stable than marriages in other faith/non-faith groups.

Statistics like that can be quite misleading. And statements like "a Christian marriage is no more or less stable than marriages in other faith/non-faith groups" is quite presumptuous.

How many people when asked if they are religious will say "I'm Catholic" simply because of their background or just by default yet are not really religious?

Determining whether or not someone is a devout Christian is virtually impossible no matter how well you know them and how often the attend church or talk about their faith etc. For example, this girl being asked a question about moving in together before marriage, she makes no mention of her faith as the reason for not wanting to. I would be very surprised if Fisher didn't clearly state his beliefs in that regard if faced with the same question. Now, does that mean she isn't a Christian? No idea.

You understand what devout means right? Devout people of ANY faith (and non faith) are pretty clear on their positions. Most people don't have to hide their religious convictions unless it affects a part of their life, such as a job. This is why you don't hear of any openly athiest politicians. Or many scientists say they believe in god, or certain religious dogmas (there are some, notably Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the Human Genome project).

I'd say the majority of people who hide their religious beliefs are those who either don't have any, or are unsure of them(agnostics/athiests). Generally speaking, it's still unfashionable to have openly athiest beliefs. It's only in the last few decades that it's become reasonably acceptable to criticize religion openly.

How exactly can you call my statement presumptuous when I backed it up with a survey? Research it, the numbers are there. Google the Barna Research group. Of the people they surveyed, those people actually classified themselves into each religious "category", so there is certainly quite a substantial amount of validity to it. I agree that there are people just lump themselves into a group, such as Catholics, even if they aren't practicing Catholics, but just because they were brought up that way, but my point was about DEVOUT Christians as the poster brought up in reference to Mike Fisher and Carrie Underwood.

Spin it how ever you want but someone who refuses to admit to or discuss their own religious beliefs is NOT devout. Yes, it's a private thing for alot of people, but for the devout, it's something quite different. A prime example (albeit extreme) of this is the Westboro Baptist Church.

Well, maybe I should leave this one alone, as SpezD said these sort of topics aren't allowed. I guess he can delete this post if need be.

Anyway, I basically agree with what you're saying and I understand where the figures come from. My point in regards to "devout Christians" is that there aren't really any degrees of faith. Either you believe and as a result, buy into it completely or you don't believe. That's why I mentioned that you can't really gage whether or not someone is a Christian regardless of how well you know them. Example: how many catholic priests are there that appear very devout (devoting their life to the church, afterall) and then it comes out that they've been doing things they shouldn't be (to put it very lightly)...would you call that priest a devout catholic?

Anyway, I meant no offense with my previous post. I love discussing both philosophy and theology but feel free to remove this post or stone me....whatever the need may be.

I'll PM you. Even though I am an athiest, I am utterly fascinated by religion and why people are drawn to it. I definitely would dispute your claim that there are no degrees of faith, so let's take this private.

I didn't take offense, as I hope you didn't. Religion tends to be a hot button issue, and people on both sides tend to get defensive much quicker than they normally would with other issues.

I have to go out now, but I'll PM a response to you, cause there is at least one counter-point I'd like to present.

hemlock wrote:

Vandelay wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Vandelay wrote:

hemlock wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Poor Fisher. With his religous background he'll be devistated, if they get married, when they eventually divorce, as most hollywood marriages end up.

I wonder if Fisher doesn't tie the knot with her for that very reason?

I don't think he would risk being happy for the rest of his life for fear of divorcing. That's not the way to think of it when you think of getting married.

I have confidence that these two would be great together for many many years. They have a lot in common and enough different tastes to keep it interesting. And they're both hot too, which helps. (I don't know if that's relevant, but it's true)

I agree with you but, marrying into Hollywood is marrying into a high risk group for divorce. Even the ones that last more than 10 years still find a way to screw it up.

You'd have to think it's in the back of his mind. Kinda like this is a nice ride but there's no real future in it kinda thoughts? Who knows? Maybe it started that way and is starting to change now?

Maybe. I think it's different though with Hockey Players going out with Hollywood stars. It's a different set of circumstances, IMO. Hockey players can't go out to clubs all the time like hollywood stars can. Carrie isn't a Hollywood star necessarily, she isn't in movies meeting hot actors all the time, she's mostly touring, and when she's not touring she's here to spend time with Mike. Same goes for him. And the fact that they are both devout Christians is serious and I don't see them as the type to go out clubbing without their significant other, or even at all. I think they're good.

Hollywood stars that film a movie every 3 months is a very different story though, they meet so many different stars and there are very intimate moments between them. The only time Carrie would get intimate with another man that isn't Mike would be for a video.

The fact that they are devout Christians means nothing when talking about divorce. Several Christians groups have a higher divorce rate than athiests, and other religious denominations. Evangelical Christians are least likely to divorce though of all, based on faith.

The Barna Research Group has done extensive research into this breaking it down by age, location etc etc.

Point is, a Christian marriage is no more or less stable than marriages in other faith/non-faith groups.

Statistics like that can be quite misleading. And statements like "a Christian marriage is no more or less stable than marriages in other faith/non-faith groups" is quite presumptuous.

How many people when asked if they are religious will say "I'm Catholic" simply because of their background or just by default yet are not really religious?

Determining whether or not someone is a devout Christian is virtually impossible no matter how well you know them and how often the attend church or talk about their faith etc. For example, this girl being asked a question about moving in together before marriage, she makes no mention of her faith as the reason for not wanting to. I would be very surprised if Fisher didn't clearly state his beliefs in that regard if faced with the same question. Now, does that mean she isn't a Christian? No idea.

You understand what devout means right? Devout people of ANY faith (and non faith) are pretty clear on their positions. Most people don't have to hide their religious convictions unless it affects a part of their life, such as a job. This is why you don't hear of any openly athiest politicians. Or many scientists say they believe in god, or certain religious dogmas (there are some, notably Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the Human Genome project).

I'd say the majority of people who hide their religious beliefs are those who either don't have any, or are unsure of them(agnostics/athiests). Generally speaking, it's still unfashionable to have openly athiest beliefs. It's only in the last few decades that it's become reasonably acceptable to criticize religion openly.

How exactly can you call my statement presumptuous when I backed it up with a survey? Research it, the numbers are there. Google the Barna Research group. Of the people they surveyed, those people actually classified themselves into each religious "category", so there is certainly quite a substantial amount of validity to it. I agree that there are people just lump themselves into a group, such as Catholics, even if they aren't practicing Catholics, but just because they were brought up that way, but my point was about DEVOUT Christians as the poster brought up in reference to Mike Fisher and Carrie Underwood.

Spin it how ever you want but someone who refuses to admit to or discuss their own religious beliefs is NOT devout. Yes, it's a private thing for alot of people, but for the devout, it's something quite different. A prime example (albeit extreme) of this is the Westboro Baptist Church.

Well, maybe I should leave this one alone, as SpezD said these sort of topics aren't allowed. I guess he can delete this post if need be.

Anyway, I basically agree with what you're saying and I understand where the figures come from. My point in regards to "devout Christians" is that there aren't really any degrees of faith. Either you believe and as a result, buy into it completely or you don't believe. That's why I mentioned that you can't really gage whether or not someone is a Christian regardless of how well you know them. Example: how many catholic priests are there that appear very devout (devoting their life to the church, afterall) and then it comes out that they've been doing things they shouldn't be (to put it very lightly)...would you call that priest a devout catholic?

Anyway, I meant no offense with my previous post. I love discussing both philosophy and theology but feel free to remove this post or stone me....whatever the need may be.

I'll PM you. Even though I am an athiest, I am utterly fascinated by religion and why people are drawn to it. I definitely would dispute your claim that there are no degrees of faith, so let's take this private.

I didn't take offense, as I hope you didn't. Religion tends to be a hot button issue, and people on both sides tend to get defensive much quicker than they normally would with other issues.

I have to go out now, but I'll PM a response to you, cause there is at least one counter-point I'd like to present.

Cool...lookin forward to it.

she's an idiot! thumbs down to you Wing Dang Doodle!