GAME DAY: Tampa Bay Lightning @ Ottawa Senators - 7:30pm EST - Thu. Nov. 5th, 2009

wprager wrote:St. Louis had over 8 minutes of PP time; Lcavalier over 7. Between the two of them they had two assists. Yet St. Louis is given the third star over Leclaire? Hell, give it to Frasier if you're going to do that.

Look, I'm not suggesting that Marty did not have a heck of a game, but if a forward plays over 8 minutes on the PP registering just a single assist, yet plays well enough to get 3rd star considerations, in a game that ends up 3-2 in OT, well, what about the winning goalie? If the winning goalie didn't deserve it then how in hell can the forward who gets 8+ minutes on the powerplay and only gets a single assist in the game? Either Leclaire didn't deserve it because Marty and Vinny were crap out there, or Marty didn't deserve it because he got outplayed by the 5th penaly killer -- Leclaire.

I only got to watch a tiny bit of the game; couldn't recrod it either. Saw the TSN highlights. So, yes, I'm trolling the stats only. So I can understand why Alfredsson, with just that garbage goal gets 1st star over Spezza's three-point night including the OT winner -- there are things the stats don't show. But in the case of St. Louis over Leclaire, I just don't understand how that can be. Unless St. Louis also played goal when he wasn't out on the PP.

Someone, please, explain it to me.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:
This hit was perfect. It was shoulder to chest (not a head shot by any stretch), he didn't jump or even hit up, it was dead-on straight, there was no charge as he coasted in from the face off circle all the way behind the net.

I have absolutely no problems with hits like this one. To even begin to compare it against the Liambas hit is a travesty.

You pretty much described the Liambas hit right there, though.

shabbs wrote:And from the "shut your trap" category... Downie sounds off on Neil's hit...

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/11/05/11652881.html

Ha ha. What a loser.

Dash wrote:Zenon Konopka also commented on the hit saying 'if I was the commissioner, I would be making more money, but I would be taking a serious look at the hit'...

He also commented on the OHL hit, trying to compare the two.

Neil defended the hit saying he thought it was legal, never left his feet and even if he had he would not have hit Hedman in the head cause he is '8 feet tall'. Said it is his job to finish his checks and hopes Hedman is okay.

My thought - legal hit, perfectly acceptable. Too bad for Hedman - welcome to the NHL. Neil did everything he is supposed to do. He also did the right thing and fought that punk Wing Dang Doodle Downie.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Vandelay wrote:

shabbs wrote:Damn I wish I was Mike Fisher...

Not that you'd be getting any, even if you were....edit: nevermind....too slow on the draw...

The one with the dark hair would look good with a riding crop and a choker.

shabbs wrote:Latest Sens news from today:

From: http://twitter.com/NHL_Sens

Michalek and Volchenkov are not skating with the Sens today.

Lines at practice today: Shannon-Spezza-Alfredsson; Foligno-Fisher-Kovalev; Cheechoo-Regin-Neil; Ruutu-Kelly-Donovan-Winchester.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Dash wrote:Zenon Konopka also commented on the hit saying 'if I was the commissioner, I would be making more money, but I would be taking a serious look at the hit'...

He also commented on the OHL hit, trying to compare the two.

Neil defended the hit saying he thought it was legal, never left his feet and even if he had he would not have hit Hedman in the head cause he is '8 feet tall'. Said it is his job to finish his checks and hopes Hedman is okay.

My thought - legal hit, perfectly acceptable. Too bad for Hedman - welcome to the NHL. Neil did everything he is supposed to do. He also did the right thing and fought that punk Wing Dang Doodle Downie.

Exactly. Welcome to the NHL, that's one of the reasons that Karlsson isn't here right now. There's a lot that can happen in a fraction of a second. 100% clean. Tampa Bay nerds need to stop whining.

Vandelay wrote:
To T-bay's credit, Tocchet told the media after the game that he didn't see anything wrong with the hit, just a good clean hockey hit. I'm sure the players will shut their yaps once they realize their own coach didn't have anything bad to say about the hit.

SensFan71 wrote:I don't expect downie to ever shut his mouth, between his mouth and his brain, there are zero connections/synapses.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:
This hit was perfect. It was shoulder to chest (not a head shot by any stretch), he didn't jump or even hit up, it was dead-on straight, there was no charge as he coasted in from the face off circle all the way behind the net.

I have absolutely no problems with hits like this one. To even begin to compare it against the Liambas hit is a travesty.

You pretty much described the Liambas hit right there, though.

jamvan wrote:Sens are teh second most penalized team in the league. If they can just change that stat alone, it will make the team even better.

They average 18.8 minutes a games, which is pretty much a full period a game.

SeawaySensFan wrote:Keith "Face Like a Frying Pan" Jones broke down the video of the Liambas hit in slow motion and he did indeed glide into that hit. It wasn't a charge.

As you pointed out, the helmet wasn't secured. Another instance where equipment played a role. This is usually the case as equipment is often used incorrectly as either a weapon or as nothing more than a fashion accessory.

Charging shall mean the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

wprager wrote:He took about a dozen strides before he "glided" though. It was a charge. In my opinion.

The rule book, however, is very loosey-goosey:

No wonder there is no consistency between refs. It would appear that stiff checks are against the rules of the game