GAME DAY: Pittsburgh Penguins @ Ottawa Senators - 7:30pm ET - Mon. Oct. 12th, 2009

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Campoli came into a situation where there was zero pressure, a real spot for him on the team, so on... he played in NYI with no pressure at all as well. There are actually expactations for him right now and he has been balls.

Again, I'm not looking at the individual, I'm looking at the pairing that is working and what benifits the team, that's Picard/Carkner.

I hope it works out...I really do. My fingers are crossed big time. *sigh*...in a few years we'll look back and laugh over how bad our D was today.

I really don't see what the fuss is all about.  We lost 4-1 and aside from Karlsson's turnover at our blue line, none of the Dung D being discussed here made mistakes that resulted in goals.  Even a steller D couldn't have done much against those crazy bounces.  You can't expect perfection from your 5th/6th D-men.  Once Kuba comes back, we'll be fine.

SpezDispenser wrote:I really feel as if there are vacuums that suck less than Picard. I see defensive issues, he can make some passes and he has a nice shot, but he's so easily moved off the puck in the defensive zone it makes me cringe.

Not a fan - yet. But whatever's best for the team...I'm sure Clouston would know.

Think about it, is he any worse than Campoli in those aspects? The answer is a resounding NO! And offensively, Campoli hasn't been doing anything at all. Why the hate-on for Picard?

Vandelay wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Campoli came into a situation where there was zero pressure, a real spot for him on the team, so on... he played in NYI with no pressure at all as well. There are actually expactations for him right now and he has been balls.

Again, I'm not looking at the individual, I'm looking at the pairing that is working and what benifits the team, that's Picard/Carkner.

I hope it works out...I really do. My fingers are crossed big time. *sigh*...in a few years we'll look back and laugh over how bad our D was today.

I really don't see what the fuss is all about. We lost 4-1 and aside from Karlsson's turnover at our blue line, none of the Dung D being discussed here made mistakes that resulted in goals. Even a steller D couldn't have done much against those crazy bounces. You can't expect perfection from your 5th/6th D-men. Once Kuba comes back, we'll be fine.

Hear hear.

Vandelay wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Campoli came into a situation where there was zero pressure, a real spot for him on the team, so on... he played in NYI with no pressure at all as well. There are actually expactations for him right now and he has been balls.

Again, I'm not looking at the individual, I'm looking at the pairing that is working and what benifits the team, that's Picard/Carkner.

I hope it works out...I really do. My fingers are crossed big time. *sigh*...in a few years we'll look back and laugh over how bad our D was today.

I really don't see what the fuss is all about. We lost 4-1 and aside from Karlsson's turnover at our blue line, none of the Dung D being discussed here made mistakes that resulted in goals. Even a steller D couldn't have done much against those crazy bounces. You can't expect perfection from your 5th/6th D-men. Once Kuba comes back, we'll be fine.

I think Campoli has been worse then Karlsson for sure and there is absolutely no benifit in sitting Karlsson down. Everyone knew it would be a process and it sitll is, Campoli on the other hand, he's been brutal from what I've seen.

ddt wrote:
Think about it, is he any worse than Campoli in those aspects? The answer is a resounding NO! And offensively, Campoli hasn't been doing anything at all. Why the hate-on for Picard?

Uh...this is all just my opinion of course, but:

1.Picard is never in proper position - either to help out his D partner, or to make a play on his own.

2.He can't pass. He makes maybe one nice pass every 6 games he plays, it's...pathetic.

3.He doesn't have much speed, he kind of labours up the ice.

4.He doesn't play like he's 6'2", 220 pounds. He plays like he's...like 180.

5.I find his hockey sense/IQ to be quite low for an NHLer.

6.He's got a beautiful shot, I'll give him that.

Again - just my opinion, but he was instrumental in tonnes of clusterfucks in our own zone last year, while playing with Kuba, so imagine what's gonna happen when he's paired with someone not as good as Kuba? He might fool you for a game or two, but in the end, he'll cost us.

Campoli's not much better at this point, but I've seen what he can do - and I prefer that.

Vandelay wrote:I really don't see what the fuss is all about.  We lost 4-1 and aside from Karlsson's turnover at our blue line, none of the Dung D being discussed here made mistakes that resulted in goals.  Even a steller D couldn't have done much against those crazy bounces.  You can't expect perfection from your 5th/6th D-men.  Once Kuba comes back, we'll be fine.

The D is fine, some of the pieces of the puzzle are suspect back there though - and it's important we figure out who can cut it and who needs to be cut.

All in all, I'm being too harsh, I didn't mean to say they all sucked - just a select few.

Picard has still been good with Carkner, how does last year have anything to do with that? Campoli was good for us last year as well, this year he has been trash... can't be looking at that. Different situations, different team, different times.

N4L wrote:Picard has still been good with Carkner, how does last year have anything to do with that? Campoli was good for us last year as well, this year he has been trash... can't be looking at that. Different situations, different team, different times.

Fair enough, let's win and see where it all shakes out.*








*Still don't love Picard though.

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Picard has still been good with Carkner, how does last year have anything to do with that? Campoli was good for us last year as well, this year he has been trash... can't be looking at that. Different situations, different team, different times.

Fair enough, let's win and see where it all shakes out.*








*Still don't love Picard though.

Pretty much and from what Ive seen and what has actually been pretty evident to me is Picard and Carnker have some chemstry there and have been a solid 5/6 pairing. Campoli hasnt been all that great and a team sturggling without a puck mover or some depth on the blueline, Campoli could very well be going there once we have Kuba back.

With all the negativity in here towards some of the guys on the backend (whether justified or not), I figured I'd take a moment to point out that Phillips and Volchenkov were absolutely sensational against Crosby and Malkin. I barely noticed the Pens' dynamic duo all game...sublime work by the two defensive workhorses. Nice to see they've recovered so far from their crap play last year.

I'll echo that!

Going by the recent discussion on our D we have:

Phillips - Volchenkov
Picard - Carkner
Kuba - Karlsson

?

It'll be interesting whether we keep Karlsson or send him away. They need to decide between Campoli and Picard as well. And there is still no spot for Brian Lee.

In an interview I heard Murray say that they would make a decision on Karlsson by game 10 (which is where some of the triggers get pulled in terms of NHLPA). We'll see what happens I guess. I was quite happy about Lee's reaction to being sent to the minors. There was a lot of maturity in his responses; I'm interested to see if he'll follow through; that will tell us what kind of character he is.

TheAvatar wrote:In an interview I heard Murray say that they would make a decision on Karlsson by game 10 (which is where some of the triggers get pulled in terms of NHLPA). We'll see what happens I guess. I was quite happy about Lee's reaction to being sent to the minors. There was a lot of maturity in his responses; I'm interested to see if he'll follow through; that will tell us what kind of character he is.

Yeah, if he doesn't play 10 NHL games this season, his ELC gets extended by 1 year.

EDIT: And because he was 18 when he signed his ELC, the same rule would apply to the 2nd year. If he doesn't play 10 NHL games next season, his ELC would be extended one more year.

SpezDispenser wrote:

ddt wrote:
Think about it, is he any worse than Campoli in those aspects? The answer is a resounding NO! And offensively, Campoli hasn't been doing anything at all. Why the hate-on for Picard?

Uh...this is all just my opinion of course, but:

1.Picard is never in proper position - either to help out his D partner, or to make a play on his own.

2.He can't pass. He makes maybe one nice pass every 6 games he plays, it's...pathetic.

3.He doesn't have much speed, he kind of labours up the ice.

4.He doesn't play like he's 6'2", 220 pounds. He plays like he's...like 180.

5.I find his hockey sense/IQ to be quite low for an NHLer.

6.He's got a beautiful shot, I'll give him that.

Again - just my opinion, but he was instrumental in tonnes of clusterfucks in our own zone last year, while playing with Kuba, so imagine what's gonna happen when he's paired with someone not as good as Kuba? He might fool you for a game or two, but in the end, he'll cost us.

Campoli's not much better at this point, but I've seen what he can do - and I prefer that.

oh i agree. and i know i'm going to be the lone one on this but sure, campoli isn't helping his case right now being without points and the level of game he's showing is but a shadow of his last year.
BUT... he has shown a much better level of game last year. something i haven't seen out of picard.ever. seriously i would attribute it partly to the present pairing. karlsson and campoli makes no sense, i would much prefer see campoli paired with carkner when kuba is back.

but in the meantime:
phillips - karlsson
volchie - campoli/lee
carkner - lee campoli
and don't you worry about picard...
i think with a sound deffencive D-man behind him, we'll see a much different campoli... or so i hope.

SpezDispenser wrote:

ddt wrote:
Think about it, is he any worse than Campoli in those aspects? The answer is a resounding NO! And offensively, Campoli hasn't been doing anything at all. Why the hate-on for Picard?

Uh...this is all just my opinion of course, but:

1.Picard is never in proper position - either to help out his D partner, or to make a play on his own.

2.He can't pass. He makes maybe one nice pass every 6 games he plays, it's...pathetic.

3.He doesn't have much speed, he kind of labours up the ice.

4.He doesn't play like he's 6'2", 220 pounds. He plays like he's...like 180.

5.I find his hockey sense/IQ to be quite low for an NHLer.

6.He's got a beautiful shot, I'll give him that.

Again - just my opinion, but he was instrumental in tonnes of clusterfucks in our own zone last year, while playing with Kuba, so imagine what's gonna happen when he's paired with someone not as good as Kuba? He might fool you for a game or two, but in the end, he'll cost us.

Campoli's not much better at this point, but I've seen what he can do - and I prefer that.

Referring to the list: Had I seen that in the off-season, I would have vehemently argued the majority of it. At this point, I really can't.

Still not giving up on him, but my expectations have been massively deflated from last season, given all that I've seen from him thusfar.

TheAvatar wrote:In an interview I heard Murray say that they would make a decision on Karlsson by game 10 (which is where some of the triggers get pulled in terms of NHLPA). We'll see what happens I guess. I was quite happy about Lee's reaction to being sent to the minors. There was a lot of maturity in his responses; I'm interested to see if he'll follow through; that will tell us what kind of character he is.

Bingo's 2nd in the division (2-1-1) and Lee has 3 points, while being a -1.

Not a bad stat line for a 1st pairing D-man.

St.Pierre has a righteous 7 points already.

Jim O'Brien has a whopping 1 point way to go Mucks...way to go.

Didn't want to make a thread for this, but:

http://atlant-mo.ru/team/142/

If I'm reading that right, then the Gerber baby is 12-0 with a .222%