What's Next for the Sharks?

davetherave wrote:

504Heater wrote:

davetherave wrote:
Robby, you are right again on this, but is Marleau really the problem?

Yes.

He was one of about 5 serious issues, but by far the biggest.

504H, who were the leading goal getters for San Jose in the playoffs?

Who had the best plus-minus on the team in that series?

No one. They all failed. :D:

Most goals was a whopping 2: By Boyle and Marleau

Best plus minus was: Cheechoo with a...plus 1.

Egads. :****:

504Heater wrote:Most goals was a whopping 2: By Boyle and Marleau

Best plus minus was: Cheechoo with a...plus 1.

Egads. :****:

Precisely...the failure is shared by all.

It's easy to put it on Marleau...but his mates didn't exactly help him out.

Marleau is still the worst captain in the NHL IMO.

Neely4Life wrote:Marleau is still the worst captain in the NHL IMO.

Worse than...the unnamed Captain of the Leafs? LOL

davetherave wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Marleau is still the worst captain in the NHL IMO.

Worse than...the unnamed Captain of the Leafs? LOL

does anyone want that designation? I hear its a career killer

I actually agree with Neely that Marleau should not be captain of the Sharks...Dan Boyle deserves that C.

davetherave wrote:

504Heater wrote:Most goals was a whopping 2: By Boyle and Marleau

Best plus minus was: Cheechoo with a...plus 1.

Egads. :****:

Precisely...the failure is shared by all.

It's easy to put it on Marleau...but his mates didn't exactly help him out.

still his responsability to motivate the others. I am not in the locker room so I dont know about his leadership, but the fact that you notice Niedermayer everytime he is on the ice and not Marleau when he is is a bit concerning.

marakh wrote:

davetherave wrote:

504Heater wrote:Most goals was a whopping 2: By Boyle and Marleau

Best plus minus was: Cheechoo with a...plus 1.

Egads. :****:

Precisely...the failure is shared by all.

It's easy to put it on Marleau...but his mates didn't exactly help him out.

still his responsability to motivate the others. I am not in the locker room so I dont know about his leadership, but the fact that you notice Niedermayer everytime he is on the ice and not Marleau when he is is a bit concerning.

As I said, maybe Marleau's not the guy who should wear the C.

Dan Boyle, IMHO a better choice.

The whole team Dung the bed. Where was the secondary scoring from Michalek, Clowe, Setoguchi, Cheechoo, or Pavelski? Where was the scoring from Thorton or Marleau? Nabokov was straight up outplayed by Hiller and they couldn't match a D with Pronger, Neidermeyer, Beauchemin, Wisniewski, and Whitney.

I would be expecting big changes in SJ in the offseason. This should have been the year they got the 800 lb gorilla off their backs. This season should be considered a failure, despite the President's trophy. A story way too familiar to us Sens fans.

What I find fascinating is that everyone talks about the Sharks 'choking' and no one talks about the Flames' almost identical series of first round exits.

:KJK:

I was listening to Bill Waters on my ride home. He was going on about how SJ MUST trade Thornton. He said that he was discussing trade partners with Dreger and they agreed that Ottawa would provide the best partner. Except he added that it would be - for the most part - a straight swap of Spezza and Heatley to SJ for Thornton and Marleau. He continued by saying it would be an equal trade of under achievers in hopes each duo would excel under new team banners. He said it would be a simple trade and the numbers work out perfectly. He wouldn't be surprised if it happens.

His confidence in such a trade infuriated me. I don't know about you guys but I would HATE this trade. At times I haven't been a big fan of Spezza or Heatley but I wouldn't trade them for the sake of trading them. Especially for not two players that could be considered even worse underachievers than Spezza and Heatley. I fail to see how Ottawa is any further ahead by making this move.

strachattack wrote:I was listening to Bill Waters on my ride home. He was going on about how SJ MUST trade Thornton. He said that he was discussing trade partners with Dreger and they agreed that Ottawa would provide the best partner. Except he added that it would be - for the most part - a straight swap of Spezza and Heatley to SJ for Thornton and Marleau. He continued by saying it would be an equal trade of under achievers in hopes each duo would excel under new team banners. He said it would be a simple trade and the numbers work out perfectly. He wouldn't be surprised if it happens.

His confidence in such a trade infuriated me. I don't know about you guys but I would HATE this trade. At times I haven't been a big fan of Spezza or Heatley but I wouldn't trade them for the sake of trading them. Especially for not two players that could be considered even worse underachievers than Spezza and Heatley. I fail to see how Ottawa is any further ahead by making this move.

Watters and Dreger are card carrying members of Toronto's Hockey Media Mafia...did you actually expect something intelligent and insightful from them?

:^^^^:

davetherave wrote:

strachattack wrote:I was listening to Bill Waters on my ride home. He was going on about how SJ MUST trade Thornton. He said that he was discussing trade partners with Dreger and they agreed that Ottawa would provide the best partner. Except he added that it would be - for the most part - a straight swap of Spezza and Heatley to SJ for Thornton and Marleau. He continued by saying it would be an equal trade of under achievers in hopes each duo would excel under new team banners. He said it would be a simple trade and the numbers work out perfectly. He wouldn't be surprised if it happens.

His confidence in such a trade infuriated me. I don't know about you guys but I would HATE this trade. At times I haven't been a big fan of Spezza or Heatley but I wouldn't trade them for the sake of trading them. Especially for not two players that could be considered even worse underachievers than Spezza and Heatley. I fail to see how Ottawa is any further ahead by making this move.

Watters and Dreger are card carrying members of Toronto's Hockey Media Mafia...did you actually expect something intelligent and insightful from them?

:^^^^:

Good point! I usually don't but it was his arrogance in thinking that this was a slam dunk for Ottawa to consider. Despite Spezza and Heater's failings they have proven they can produce in the playoffs. Obviously, the jury is still out on Thornton and Marleau. Bah! Waters!

I will never pick San Jose in a playoff pool again lol Never!

HowieMorenz wrote:I will never pick San Jose in a playoff pool again lol Never!

:^^^^: I said the same thing today. Until they actually win a cup I will NEVER pick them or any of their players in a pool. I've been burned too many times.

usually you can rely on them to make it to the second round though.

Most interesting offseason coming up, possibly in league history.

Montreal Canadiens -- bust
Calgary Flames -- bust
San Jose Sharks -- big bust
Toronto Maple Leafs -- rebuilding
Ottawa Senators -- fringe team
Tampa Bay Lightning -- last offseason might be an indication
Minnesota -- possible new direction
Edmonton Oilers -- bust
Dallas Stars -- bust
Colorado Avalanche -- massive rebuild

Enjoy the fireworks this offseason guys, there is going to be plenty.