Hartsburg says: "All Must Share The Blame"

asq2 wrote:I think you also have to look at Hartsburg's inability to bend from his system which so obviously wasn't working though.

Disagree. Hartsburg should have never been hired to coach the Senators. Period. Wrong coach for this job.

They needed a Hartley/Hitchcock type.

Clouston is in that Hartley/Hitchc0ck mould.

davetherave wrote:

asq2 wrote:I think you also have to look at Hartsburg's inability to bend from his system which so obviously wasn't working though.

Disagree. Hartsburg should have never been hired to coach the Senators. Period. Wrong coach for this job.

They needed a Hartley/Hitchcock type.

Clouston is in that Hartley/Hitchc0ck mould.

Don't think so. Hartsburg, by his own admission, yelled at the players. Clouston lets his icetime distribution do the talking. When a player does well he tells them so right on the bench, then he backs it up by giving them icetime. Hartsburg also did a lot of his talking to the media, which kills any kind of trust you could hope to build up. There are a few, select players who actually repsond well to being called out in public. But even if it does work, it only works for a short time (see: Kovalev) because the trust is gone. Yeah, it sounds corny and all, but if you want guys to go through a wall for you they've got to trust you first.

It's a little bit like the difference between managing, say, menial labourers versus managing professionals, like software programmers. With the labourers it's very easy to see who's doing well and who's not, and to get an exact measure of productivity. It's also very easy to boot someone out and replace him. In software development it's extremely difficult to accurately (and evenly) measure performance, and you have to be much more careful about how to motivate (and be very aware about the possibility of negatively motivating someone). And a software developer is much more difficult to replace than a menial labourer -- very similar in some ways in how it's easier to replace a minor leaguer than an NHL player.

wprager wrote:

davetherave wrote:

asq2 wrote:I think you also have to look at Hartsburg's inability to bend from his system which so obviously wasn't working though.

Disagree. Hartsburg should have never been hired to coach the Senators. Period. Wrong coach for this job.

They needed a Hartley/Hitchcock type.

Clouston is in that Hartley/Hitchc0ck mould.

Don't think so. Hartsburg, by his own admission, yelled at the players. Clouston lets his icetime distribution do the talking. When a player does well he tells them so right on the bench, then he backs it up by giving them icetime. Hartsburg also did a lot of his talking to the media, which kills any kind of trust you could hope to build up. There are a few, select players who actually repsond well to being called out in public. But even if it does work, it only works for a short time (see: Kovalev) because the trust is gone. Yeah, it sounds corny and all, but if you want guys to go through a wall for you they've got to trust you first.

Well, I wasn't talking about the 'yell' factor....LOL

I meant that Clouston is an effective psychologist in the Hitchc0ck mould.

And he holds players accountable with the same firm hand that both Hitch and Hartley have.

Hartsburg might have yelled at them, but if you read his comments as a reflection of the man, he wasn't comfortable when doing so.

As I said, again, wrong coach for this job. We agree 100%.