Sometimes the 2nd pick is the best...

shabbs wrote:Remember the Jofa helmet Gretzky used to wear... it was pretty much a salad spinner...



Madness...

I have a salad tosser (would salad spinner be more PC?), that I got from IKEA.

Took me 9 hours and 4 allan keys to assemble it.

asq2 wrote:

The Guy With The Mustache wrote:was there as much doubt surroundin Daigle back then as there is doubt surrounding Tavares now?

There was no doubt. He was supposed to be Gretzky with a meaner streak. The Sens would have had to have been crazy to pick Pronger over him.

He's not a similar player to Tavares, though. He really relied on his speed - the same can't be said for JT.

It'd be interesting to see if a player like Daigle could have found more success in the "new" NHL.

His problem was team leadership IMO. If he was put in Sydney Crosby's situation he would have turned out a lot different, perhaps not as good but way better. Crosby is getting more than hockey advice from Lemieux, he is learning how to be a great player and act like it on/off the ice. I am not a fan but he has made big strides in terms of not whining at refs etc...

Daigle on the other hand was taken under the wing of Sylvain Turgeon. They spent many nights in Hull getting pinned rather than learning how to be a pro and handle the pressures.

Atmosphere is a huge factor in developing a superstar, IMO.

No matter the differences, the similarities are eerie. While Tavares may not be relying on speed as much as Daigle, that's actually not good in today's NHL. With obstruction and hooking being called by the letter of the law everyone -- forwards and defensemen -- is faster, or at least gets there quicker. I've read that Tavares is not blessed with natural speed. I hope he's a good passer because he won't get very far skating it out.

shabbs wrote:Saw this on TSN... brought back some bad memories... and made for an interesting comparison to this year's draft...

Source: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282751

Interesting parallel with this draft... highly offensive player slated to go 1st overall followed by a huge defensemen... hmmmm.....



Bah! What a bust Daigle was.

we might have one a cup with that huge defenseman, what did Daigle bring us, the title of worst drafting team ever, until Spezza that is.

wprager wrote:No matter the differences, the similarities are eerie. While Tavares may not be relying on speed as much as Daigle, that's actually not good in today's NHL. With obstruction and hooking being called by the letter of the law everyone -- forwards and defensemen -- is faster, or at least gets there quicker. I've read that Tavares is not blessed with natural speed. I hope he's a good passer because he won't get very far skating it out.

Tim Murray says Tavares has the best hands he has seen in 15 years though...

marakh wrote:

wprager wrote:No matter the differences, the similarities are eerie. While Tavares may not be relying on speed as much as Daigle, that's actually not good in today's NHL. With obstruction and hooking being called by the letter of the law everyone -- forwards and defensemen -- is faster, or at least gets there quicker. I've read that Tavares is not blessed with natural speed. I hope he's a good passer because he won't get very far skating it out.

Tim Murray says Tavares has the best hands he has seen in 15 years though...

you can't teach good hands and hockey sense, Tavares has that hockey sense too that makes the offensive players so good, can see the play before it happens.

MurderOnIce wrote:

asq2 wrote:

The Guy With The Mustache wrote:was there as much doubt surroundin Daigle back then as there is doubt surrounding Tavares now?

There was no doubt. He was supposed to be Gretzky with a meaner streak. The Sens would have had to have been crazy to pick Pronger over him.

He's not a similar player to Tavares, though. He really relied on his speed - the same can't be said for JT.

It'd be interesting to see if a player like Daigle could have found more success in the "new" NHL.

His problem was team leadership IMO. If he was put in Sydney Crosby's situation he would have turned out a lot different, perhaps not as good but way better. Crosby is getting more than hockey advice from Lemieux, he is learning how to be a great player and act like it on/off the ice. I am not a fan but he has made big strides in terms of not whining at refs etc...

Daigle on the other hand was taken under the wing of Sylvain Turgeon. They spent many nights in Hull getting pinned rather than learning how to be a pro and handle the pressures.

Atmosphere is a huge factor in developing a superstar, IMO.

I think thats a truly legitimate complaint.

Given the above, what leadership is going to take Tavares under their wing and teach him if he's drafted by either NYI or TB (assuming Vinny is gone)?

Acrobat wrote:Given the above, what leadership is going to take Tavares under their wing and teach him if he's drafted by either NYI or TB (assuming Vinny is gone)?

St Louis and.... maybe they could get Bossy?

The Guy With The Mustache wrote:

Acrobat wrote:Given the above, what leadership is going to take Tavares under their wing and teach him if he's drafted by either NYI or TB (assuming Vinny is gone)?

St Louis and.... maybe they could get Bossy?

St. Louis is certainly good enough, and he has the character, but is he a "leader" in the manner that they would need?

Speaking of 2nd picks, Ek has Spezza going to Edmonton for who knows what.

Haha imagine if we had 3 top 10's, with Tuebert, Gagne, Eberle, Frolov, coming back...

Tuebert/Gagne/Eberle/Shenn/OEL/Kadri, Haha, we would win a cup at some point with that.

Acrobat wrote:

The Guy With The Mustache wrote:

Acrobat wrote:Given the above, what leadership is going to take Tavares under their wing and teach him if he's drafted by either NYI or TB (assuming Vinny is gone)?

St Louis and.... maybe they could get Bossy?

St. Louis is certainly good enough, and he has the character, but is he a "leader" in the manner that they would need?

They're trusting St. Louis to mentor Stamkos, so hopefully.

cas wrote:Speaking of 2nd picks, Ek has Spezza going to Edmonton for who knows what.

Seriously he is going to say that until Spezza retires.

MurderOnIce wrote:

cas wrote:Speaking of 2nd picks, Ek has Spezza going to Edmonton for who knows what.

Seriously he is going to say that until Spezza retires.

Then it's: Spezza considering coming out of retirement to join Oil?

asq2 wrote:

MurderOnIce wrote:

cas wrote:Speaking of 2nd picks, Ek has Spezza going to Edmonton for who knows what.

Seriously he is going to say that until Spezza retires.

Then it's: Spezza considering coming out of retirement to join Oil?

See I have been telling you guys for 17 years that Spezza is on his way out of Ottawa...

MurderOnIce wrote:

cas wrote:Speaking of 2nd picks, Ek has Spezza going to Edmonton for who knows what.

Seriously he is going to say that until Spezza retires.

they will never leave Spezz alone with they? Ek

SensFan71 wrote:

MurderOnIce wrote:

cas wrote:Speaking of 2nd picks, Ek has Spezza going to Edmonton for who knows what.

Seriously he is going to say that until Spezza retires.

they will never leave Spezz alone with they? Ek

The best part in this amazing rumour is that Heatley would stay! So let's get rid of the guy who wants to stay here and presumably settle down while holding on to the guy who wants out. What a great way to completely corrupt the locker room and alienate fans. Anyone want to sign a replace Murray with Eklund petition?