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tim1_2


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Flo The Action wrote:
Lagoon wrote:Let’s have fun. Let’s all compare how Steve Yzerman GM’s vs Dorion.

Yzerman will go first.
Marc Staal and a 2nd to Detroit for future considerations. Done deal.

Dorion. You are up.  tumbleweed


i know right?

i'm kinda glad that this happened now so it may actually put some barriers on Dorion making some idiotic moves where we lose assets as opposed to gaining some.

this is a total win by Detroit.

I think what we need to keep in mind is that Dorion is hamstrung by Melnyk. Of course it's a no-brainer to "weaponize" cap space like Detroit has done...but you also need an owner willing to take on salary.

Ev


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tim1_2 wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
Lagoon wrote:Let’s have fun. Let’s all compare how Steve Yzerman GM’s vs Dorion.

Yzerman will go first.
Marc Staal and a 2nd to Detroit for future considerations. Done deal.

Dorion. You are up.  tumbleweed


i know right?

i'm kinda glad that this happened now so it may actually put some barriers on Dorion making some idiotic moves where we lose assets as opposed to gaining some.

this is a total win by Detroit.

I think what we need to keep in mind is that Dorion is hamstrung by Melnyk.  Of course it's a no-brainer to "weaponize" cap space like Detroit has done...but you also need an owner willing to take on salary.

also players have to waive NTCs. Staal had one.

Flo The Action


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tim1_2 wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
Lagoon wrote:Let’s have fun. Let’s all compare how Steve Yzerman GM’s vs Dorion.

Yzerman will go first.
Marc Staal and a 2nd to Detroit for future considerations. Done deal.

Dorion. You are up.  tumbleweed


i know right?

i'm kinda glad that this happened now so it may actually put some barriers on Dorion making some idiotic moves where we lose assets as opposed to gaining some.

this is a total win by Detroit.

I think what we need to keep in mind is that Dorion is hamstrung by Melnyk.  Of course it's a no-brainer to "weaponize" cap space like Detroit has done...but you also need an owner willing to take on salary.

20+ million to get to the cap floor...
this should be a no brainer.

Flo The Action

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anyone find it disturbing that Dorion hasn't signed anyone to a new contract?
we have 6 RFA's.

my spidey senses are tingling... there's bound to be another disaster coming. i just can't guess as to what it is.

Ev

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Flo The Action wrote:anyone find it disturbing that Dorion hasn't signed anyone to a new contract?
we have 6 RFA's.

my spidey senses are tingling... there's bound to be another disaster coming. i just can't guess as to what it is.

Not really, no. There is not a lot of action in the league right now. They gotta do the draft first. Once we know who we get between Byfield and Stutzle, and then 5th, and then if we can trade some picks for real players, it will dictate everything moving forward.

also there is still a lot of speculation about a sale coming sooner than later

tim1_2

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Ev wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
Lagoon wrote:Let’s have fun. Let’s all compare how Steve Yzerman GM’s vs Dorion.

Yzerman will go first.
Marc Staal and a 2nd to Detroit for future considerations. Done deal.

Dorion. You are up.  tumbleweed


i know right?

i'm kinda glad that this happened now so it may actually put some barriers on Dorion making some idiotic moves where we lose assets as opposed to gaining some.

this is a total win by Detroit.

I think what we need to keep in mind is that Dorion is hamstrung by Melnyk.  Of course it's a no-brainer to "weaponize" cap space like Detroit has done...but you also need an owner willing to take on salary.

also players have to waive NTCs. Staal had one.

Also an excellent point. I would assume that Ottawa is on EVERYBODY'S list for NTCs. It would be hilarious to see, but I bet Ottawa leads the league in appearing on these lists.

DefenceWinsChampionships


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Why does everyone think ottawa is such a bad place to play ? I'd much prefer to play here than a lot of other cities both in Canada and the US

Ev

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Why does everyone think ottawa is such a bad place to play ? I'd much prefer to play here than a lot of other cities both in Canada and the US

The main reason would be taxes. Most Canadian cities would be on the majority of lists I would imagine.

Ottawa is not an attractive city even when we were good

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Ev wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
Lagoon wrote:Let’s have fun. Let’s all compare how Steve Yzerman GM’s vs Dorion.

Yzerman will go first.
Marc Staal and a 2nd to Detroit for future considerations. Done deal.

Dorion. You are up.  tumbleweed


i know right?

i'm kinda glad that this happened now so it may actually put some barriers on Dorion making some idiotic moves where we lose assets as opposed to gaining some.

this is a total win by Detroit.

I think what we need to keep in mind is that Dorion is hamstrung by Melnyk.  Of course it's a no-brainer to "weaponize" cap space like Detroit has done...but you also need an owner willing to take on salary.

also players have to waive NTCs. Staal had one.

So now we can’t even get the statistically worst Dman in the league to come here? And you’ve got hope for actual good players?

DefenceWinsChampionships


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Ev wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Why does everyone think ottawa is such a bad place to play ? I'd much prefer to play here than a lot of other cities both in Canada and the US

The main reason would be taxes. Most Canadian cities would be on the majority of lists I would imagine.

Ottawa is not an attractive city even when we were good

At the end of the day the majority of players in the NHL are Canadian and probably don't appreciate how much of a gong-show it is in the states. Political leadership, protests, wildfires, racism, crime, poverty, etc. Come to Ottawa and you can live in affordable housing, send your kids to good schools, etc. The players are on the road most of the time anyway, so if it's a decision on where to raise a young family, I would 100% choose to live in Ottawa over a lot of other places. What's the allure of living in the States aside from taxes? Target and cheap gas? I get the allure of living in California, New York, Vegas, Florida, etc. Outside of those cities/parts of those states, I'm not so sure I'd want to live in a lot of other places. In cities like Philadelphia, they live in rich suburbs anyway. May as well live in Barrhaven or Kanata.

Ev

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Lagoon wrote:
Ev wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
Lagoon wrote:Let’s have fun. Let’s all compare how Steve Yzerman GM’s vs Dorion.

Yzerman will go first.
Marc Staal and a 2nd to Detroit for future considerations. Done deal.

Dorion. You are up.  tumbleweed


i know right?

i'm kinda glad that this happened now so it may actually put some barriers on Dorion making some idiotic moves where we lose assets as opposed to gaining some.

this is a total win by Detroit.

I think what we need to keep in mind is that Dorion is hamstrung by Melnyk.  Of course it's a no-brainer to "weaponize" cap space like Detroit has done...but you also need an owner willing to take on salary.

also players have to waive NTCs. Staal had one.

So now we can’t even get the statistically worst Dman in the league to come here? And you’ve got hope for actual good players?

Many good young players don't have NTCs. Those are the ones they should be targeting.

DefenceWinsChampionships


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The only issue I see in Ottawa is Melnyk and that can't last much longer can it?

Ev

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Ev wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Why does everyone think ottawa is such a bad place to play ? I'd much prefer to play here than a lot of other cities both in Canada and the US

The main reason would be taxes. Most Canadian cities would be on the majority of lists I would imagine.

Ottawa is not an attractive city even when we were good

At the end of the day the majority of players in the NHL are Canadian and probably don't appreciate how much of a gong-show it is in the states. Political leadership, protests, wildfires, racism, crime, poverty, etc. Come to Ottawa and you can live in affordable housing, send your kids to good schools, etc. The players are on the road most of the time anyway, so if it's a decision on where to raise a young family, I would 100% choose to live in Ottawa over a lot of other places. What's the allure of living in the States aside from taxes? Target and cheap gas? I get the allure of living in California, New York, Vegas, Florida, etc. Outside of those cities/parts of those states, I'm not so sure I'd want to live in a lot of other places.   In cities like Philadelphia, they live in rich suburbs anyway. May as well live in Barrhaven or Kanata.

Do you live in Ottawa? That sounds good to us. It doesn't sound great to young millionaires. Especially when they marry US women who won't want to move.

From the outside, Ottawa is a cold, boring city who doesn't have a good team right now. Once you live here for a while, then you appreciate it.

Not sure what affordable housing means since it's pretty expensive here and in Toronto, but I don't think that matters when you're talking about millionaires.

A ton of American athletes would want to stay in America. Remember when Trump won and people said they would move to Canada? Guess that didn't happen...

Ev

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:The only issue I see in Ottawa is Melnyk and that can't last much longer can it?

Doesn't matter who the owner is. Ottawa's limitations as a small market Canadian team will mean Ottawa must build from the draft first and foremost. When Melnyk was considered good, we got guys like Kovalev, Gonchar, and Hasek.

DefenceWinsChampionships


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Ev wrote:
Lagoon wrote:
Ev wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
Lagoon wrote:Let’s have fun. Let’s all compare how Steve Yzerman GM’s vs Dorion.

Yzerman will go first.
Marc Staal and a 2nd to Detroit for future considerations. Done deal.

Dorion. You are up.  tumbleweed


i know right?

i'm kinda glad that this happened now so it may actually put some barriers on Dorion making some idiotic moves where we lose assets as opposed to gaining some.

this is a total win by Detroit.

I think what we need to keep in mind is that Dorion is hamstrung by Melnyk.  Of course it's a no-brainer to "weaponize" cap space like Detroit has done...but you also need an owner willing to take on salary.

also players have to waive NTCs. Staal had one.

So now we can’t even get the statistically worst Dman in the league to come here? And you’ve got hope for actual good players?

Many good young players don't have NTCs. Those are the ones they should be targeting.

Tuch, Ehlers, Laine, Huberdeau, Barkov, Dvorak, Nylander, Boeser, Konecny, Barzal, Cirelli are who the Sens should be trying to target with their 2nd rd picks, cap room, and b prospects. Less options on the defensive side but the Sens have stockpiled some good options there. If the Sens can add one or two of these guys without giving up their top-two 1st rd picks, devastating their prospect pool, and doing so by taking on some bad short-term contracts, the Sens win the off-season.

tim1_2

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Ev wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Ev wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Why does everyone think ottawa is such a bad place to play ? I'd much prefer to play here than a lot of other cities both in Canada and the US

The main reason would be taxes. Most Canadian cities would be on the majority of lists I would imagine.

Ottawa is not an attractive city even when we were good

At the end of the day the majority of players in the NHL are Canadian and probably don't appreciate how much of a gong-show it is in the states. Political leadership, protests, wildfires, racism, crime, poverty, etc. Come to Ottawa and you can live in affordable housing, send your kids to good schools, etc. The players are on the road most of the time anyway, so if it's a decision on where to raise a young family, I would 100% choose to live in Ottawa over a lot of other places. What's the allure of living in the States aside from taxes? Target and cheap gas? I get the allure of living in California, New York, Vegas, Florida, etc. Outside of those cities/parts of those states, I'm not so sure I'd want to live in a lot of other places.   In cities like Philadelphia, they live in rich suburbs anyway. May as well live in Barrhaven or Kanata.

Do you live in Ottawa? That sounds good to us. It doesn't sound great to young millionaires. Especially when they marry US women who won't want to move.

From the outside, Ottawa is a cold, boring city who doesn't have a good team right now. Once you live here for a while, then you appreciate it.

Not sure what affordable housing means since it's pretty expensive here and in Toronto, but I don't think that matters when you're talking about millionaires.

A ton of American athletes would want to stay in America. Remember when Trump won and people said they would move to Canada? Guess that didn't happen...

"Affordable housing" had me laughing. Ever been to an upper-class American neighbourhood (i.e. gated community)? They are ridiculous. Gated communities, security all over the place, etc. They never see the protests, wildfires, racism, crime, and poverty. Plus, as Ev mentioned, you pay way less in tax (and apparently can just cheat the system and pay nothing in tax). The filthy rich live in a different universe, and that's especially true in the States.

So it's hard enough for a Canadian team to attract players, and then there's the Melnyk stink that infests every aspect of the organization.

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Lundqvist just bought out and apparently the Rags are interested in Eichel. What would it take to get Eichel out of Buffalo? Strome, Kappo, Miller, Carolina 2020 1st?

Flo The Action

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Ev wrote:
Lagoon wrote:
Ev wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
Lagoon wrote:Let’s have fun. Let’s all compare how Steve Yzerman GM’s vs Dorion.

Yzerman will go first.
Marc Staal and a 2nd to Detroit for future considerations. Done deal.

Dorion. You are up.  tumbleweed


i know right?

i'm kinda glad that this happened now so it may actually put some barriers on Dorion making some idiotic moves where we lose assets as opposed to gaining some.

this is a total win by Detroit.

I think what we need to keep in mind is that Dorion is hamstrung by Melnyk.  Of course it's a no-brainer to "weaponize" cap space like Detroit has done...but you also need an owner willing to take on salary.

also players have to waive NTCs. Staal had one.

So now we can’t even get the statistically worst Dman in the league to come here? And you’ve got hope for actual good players?

Many good young players don't have NTCs. Those are the ones they should be targeting.

Tuch, Ehlers, Laine, Huberdeau, Barkov, Dvorak, Nylander, Boeser, Konecny, Barzal, Cirelli are who the Sens should be trying to target with their 2nd rd picks, cap room, and b prospects. Less options on the defensive side but the Sens have stockpiled some good options there. If the Sens can add one or two of these guys without giving up their top-two 1st rd picks, devastating their prospect pool, and doing so by taking on some bad short-term contracts, the Sens win the off-season.

you really like those far fetched pipedreams eh?
in what universe would those guys ever get traded and even less for some 2nd rounders and b prospects.

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