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Flo The Action wrote:If we get rid of Hoffman we are definitely weak on the left side. Like we are going to need two top 6 LW. I like mac but to be honest on a good team he is a 3rd line forward. Maybe we can have him play in the top 6 until one of our youth fills that position and then we still need to replace Hoffman. If things go badly again, this will be a position of weakness again next year. Not liking it.SpezDispensed wrote:wprager wrote:Going forward without the Cowen/Wiercioch saga and with Phaneuf here the full season, with Turris healthy and with CMac in the lineup, I think this team is as good as the top-three in the division. Remember that they were a point back of Detroit with a game in hand when Turris got injured.
Going forward, depth-wise, we know what we have in Dzingel, McCormick, Paul and Claesson. Add in White, who is, by all accounts, already better than all other forward prospects. Hopefullly Paul and White give us the depth we need at center.
Everyone keeps reminding me that Zibanejad is still only 22 and despite the flaws in his game is still improving, albeit very slowly. He's on pace for his best season point-wise, even if his goals total takes a tumble (at 14, he would need 6 in the next 14 games to reach the career high of 20). But it you look a little closer, he is actually on pace for 47 points, which is just one points more than last year. So is he still progressing or has he reached his ceiling? Hard to say. If they could use him as a piece in a trade for an upgrade at C then I'd be all for it; but if the upgrade takes Zibanejad *and* White, forget it -- I'd rather have Zibanejad and his 45-50 points *and* depth at center.
I think there's some work to do, but the foundation is built relatively well. Absolutely no veteran center may hurt the team and we have Hoffman as bait.
Regardless I'd say they need to get either an upgrade at c or another winger ala mac just in case he's not good to go.
After that...I think we're pretty competitive and I believe this was a blip on the radar this year
Maybe Murray will be content with this pool of players now that we have Phaneuf. I doubt it since he's constantly trying to trade for Drouin .SpezDispensed wrote:They also needed phaneuf from day 1. So happy with that trade.
SpezDispensed wrote:Can't stand pat. He stood pat last summer and failed.
wprager wrote:SpezDispensed wrote:Can't stand pat. He stood pat last summer and failed.
But he didn't stand pat. We've lost Greening, Michalek, Cowen, Phillips (or at least his cap hit), Prince and, very likely, Wiercioch; and gained Phaneuf, Puempel, Paul, Dzingel. Starting the year with a healthy CMac and Turris also huge. No big difficult decision about Puempel and Prince. Just let Puempel play on the fourth line and get some reps in. Paul and White also means Smith can continue playing on the wing, now that he seems to have found some chemistry.
That's a lot of turnover in the roster.
SpezDispensed wrote:wprager wrote:SpezDispensed wrote:Can't stand pat. He stood pat last summer and failed.
But he didn't stand pat. We've lost Greening, Michalek, Cowen, Phillips (or at least his cap hit), Prince and, very likely, Wiercioch; and gained Phaneuf, Puempel, Paul, Dzingel. Starting the year with a healthy CMac and Turris also huge. No big difficult decision about Puempel and Prince. Just let Puempel play on the fourth line and get some reps in. Paul and White also means Smith can continue playing on the wing, now that he seems to have found some chemistry.
That's a lot of turnover in the roster.
Now that he's addressed the D, he needs either a veteran C or a veteran winger. You could roll with Drouin, but imo you need a vet up there.
Hopefully there's a trade out there like the Phaneuf trade, but a C.
That's my opinion, obviously but you don't need to make a move on D now unless you're getting a veteran 3rd pairing guy, you need to focus on the forwards.
SpezDispensed wrote:wprager wrote:SpezDispensed wrote:Can't stand pat. He stood pat last summer and failed.
But he didn't stand pat. We've lost Greening, Michalek, Cowen, Phillips (or at least his cap hit), Prince and, very likely, Wiercioch; and gained Phaneuf, Puempel, Paul, Dzingel. Starting the year with a healthy CMac and Turris also huge. No big difficult decision about Puempel and Prince. Just let Puempel play on the fourth line and get some reps in. Paul and White also means Smith can continue playing on the wing, now that he seems to have found some chemistry.
That's a lot of turnover in the roster.
Now that he's addressed the D, he needs either a veteran C or a veteran winger. You could roll with Drouin, but imo you need a vet up there.
Hopefully there's a trade out there like the Phaneuf trade, but a C.
That's my opinion, obviously but you don't need to make a move on D now unless you're getting a veteran 3rd pairing guy, you need to focus on the forwards.
Flo The Action wrote:SpezDispensed wrote:wprager wrote:SpezDispensed wrote:Can't stand pat. He stood pat last summer and failed.
But he didn't stand pat. We've lost Greening, Michalek, Cowen, Phillips (or at least his cap hit), Prince and, very likely, Wiercioch; and gained Phaneuf, Puempel, Paul, Dzingel. Starting the year with a healthy CMac and Turris also huge. No big difficult decision about Puempel and Prince. Just let Puempel play on the fourth line and get some reps in. Paul and White also means Smith can continue playing on the wing, now that he seems to have found some chemistry.
That's a lot of turnover in the roster.
Now that he's addressed the D, he needs either a veteran C or a veteran winger. You could roll with Drouin, but imo you need a vet up there.
Hopefully there's a trade out there like the Phaneuf trade, but a C.
That's my opinion, obviously but you don't need to make a move on D now unless you're getting a veteran 3rd pairing guy, you need to focus on the forwards.
I cant think Of any Good C that might be available. Then again maybe that will change. Maybe a team trying to get younger and that hasn't faired well as of late. You wonder what it would take to get Jordan stall. A while back it was rumoured they might want to get from under such a long term deal. Definitely cost us Zib plus probably our first + ? That's if they want to move him. I see them more as a team that want to add roster guys rather than draft picks.
Edit: might not actually cost us our first. Could be seen as good for them just to younger. Jordan has a cup and a few good runs in experience. Could be nice.
Flo The Action wrote:SpezDispensed wrote:wprager wrote:SpezDispensed wrote:Can't stand pat. He stood pat last summer and failed.
But he didn't stand pat. We've lost Greening, Michalek, Cowen, Phillips (or at least his cap hit), Prince and, very likely, Wiercioch; and gained Phaneuf, Puempel, Paul, Dzingel. Starting the year with a healthy CMac and Turris also huge. No big difficult decision about Puempel and Prince. Just let Puempel play on the fourth line and get some reps in. Paul and White also means Smith can continue playing on the wing, now that he seems to have found some chemistry.
That's a lot of turnover in the roster.
Now that he's addressed the D, he needs either a veteran C or a veteran winger. You could roll with Drouin, but imo you need a vet up there.
Hopefully there's a trade out there like the Phaneuf trade, but a C.
That's my opinion, obviously but you don't need to make a move on D now unless you're getting a veteran 3rd pairing guy, you need to focus on the forwards.
I cant think Of any Good C that might be available. Then again maybe that will change. Maybe a team trying to get younger and that hasn't faired well as of late. You wonder what it would take to get Jordan stall. A while back it was rumoured they might want to get from under such a long term deal. Definitely cost us Zib plus probably our first + ? That's if they want to move him. I see them more as a team that want to add roster guys rather than draft picks.
Edit: might not actually cost us our first. Could be seen as good for them just to younger. Jordan has a cup and a few good runs in experience. Could be nice.
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