Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance

Rooney, can you provide a source to back up your assertion that the "NHL makes most of it's money, not from ticket sales, but from agreements in place (TV and broadcasting rights, commercials, etc."? I was definitely under the impression (and I'm sure that was based on reading it somewhere) that the majority of the revenue comes from ticket sales (plus concessions, parking, what-not).

wprager wrote:Rooney, can you provide a source to back up your assertion that the "NHL makes most of it's money, not from ticket sales, but from agreements in place (TV and broadcasting rights, commercials, etc."? I was definitely under the impression (and I'm sure that was based on reading it somewhere) that the majority of the revenue comes from ticket sales (plus concessions, parking, what-not).

Prager, all of this information is available from the previously referenced FORBES report, "The Business of Hockey".

Examples:
Toronto Maple Leafs

1-Yr Value Chg.	9%
Ann. Value Chg. 2	11%
Debt/Value 3	35%
Revenue 4	$160 mil
Operating Inc. 5	$66.4 mil
Player Expenses 6	$53 mil
Gate Receipts 7	$78 mil

The gate receipts constitute less than 50% of the revenue in the case of TML.

Further information here:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/31/nhl08_Toronto-Maple-Leafs_312012.html

Enjoy your research.

The Leafs are a special breed. Not every team has every home game televised on a cable channel dedicated to how badly they suck.

wprager wrote:The Leafs are a special breed. Not every team has every home game televised on a cable channel dedicated to how badly they suck.

Your inbred hatred of the Leafs is irrelevant to this discussion, Comrade Prager.

davetherave wrote:

wprager wrote:Rooney, can you provide a source to back up your assertion that the "NHL makes most of it's money, not from ticket sales, but from agreements in place (TV and broadcasting rights, commercials, etc."? I was definitely under the impression (and I'm sure that was based on reading it somewhere) that the majority of the revenue comes from ticket sales (plus concessions, parking, what-not).

Prager, all of this information is available from the previously referenced FORBES report, "The Business of Hockey".

Examples:
Toronto Maple Leafs

1-Yr Value Chg.	9%
Ann. Value Chg. 2	11%
Debt/Value 3	35%
Revenue 4	$160 mil
Operating Inc. 5	$66.4 mil
Player Expenses 6	$53 mil
Gate Receipts 7	$78 mil

The gate receipts constitute less than 50% of the revenue in the case of TML.

Further information here:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/31/nhl08_Toronto-Maple-Leafs_312012.html

Enjoy your research.

I'll venture a bold guess and say the same applies to Phoenix.

Comrade Prager, example number two...

Ottawa Senators

1-Yr Value Chg.	12%
Ann. Value Chg. 2	18%
Debt/Value 3	63%
Revenue 4	$96 mil
Operating Inc. 5	$4.7 mil
Player Expenses 6	$54 mil
Gate Receipts 7	$50 mil

Again, gate receipts barely 50% of revenues.

PKC wrote:

davetherave wrote:

wprager wrote:Rooney, can you provide a source to back up your assertion that the "NHL makes most of it's money, not from ticket sales, but from agreements in place (TV and broadcasting rights, commercials, etc."? I was definitely under the impression (and I'm sure that was based on reading it somewhere) that the majority of the revenue comes from ticket sales (plus concessions, parking, what-not).

Prager, all of this information is available from the previously referenced FORBES report, "The Business of Hockey".

Examples:
Toronto Maple Leafs

1-Yr Value Chg.	9%
Ann. Value Chg. 2	11%
Debt/Value 3	35%
Revenue 4	$160 mil
Operating Inc. 5	$66.4 mil
Player Expenses 6	$53 mil
Gate Receipts 7	$78 mil

The gate receipts constitute less than 50% of the revenue in the case of TML.

Further information here:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/31/nhl08_Toronto-Maple-Leafs_312012.html

Enjoy your research.

I'll venture a bold guess and say the same applies to Phoenix.

PKC> your cleverness defies description.

davetherave wrote:Comrade Prager, example number two...

Ottawa Senators

1-Yr Value Chg.	12%
Ann. Value Chg. 2	18%
Debt/Value 3	63%
Revenue 4	$96 mil
Operating Inc. 5	$4.7 mil
Player Expenses 6	$54 mil
Gate Receipts 7	$50 mil

Again, gate receipts barely 50% of revenues.

I remember reading that the NHL is 52% gate revenue driven in terms of total revenue. The deals in place for sponsorship and TV broadcasting rights just aren't strong enough yet.

davetherave wrote:

PKC wrote:

davetherave wrote:

wprager wrote:Rooney, can you provide a source to back up your assertion that the "NHL makes most of it's money, not from ticket sales, but from agreements in place (TV and broadcasting rights, commercials, etc."? I was definitely under the impression (and I'm sure that was based on reading it somewhere) that the majority of the revenue comes from ticket sales (plus concessions, parking, what-not).

Prager, all of this information is available from the previously referenced FORBES report, "The Business of Hockey".

Examples:
Toronto Maple Leafs

1-Yr Value Chg.	9%
Ann. Value Chg. 2	11%
Debt/Value 3	35%
Revenue 4	$160 mil
Operating Inc. 5	$66.4 mil
Player Expenses 6	$53 mil
Gate Receipts 7	$78 mil

The gate receipts constitute less than 50% of the revenue in the case of TML.

Further information here:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/31/nhl08_Toronto-Maple-Leafs_312012.html

Enjoy your research.

I'll venture a bold guess and say the same applies to Phoenix.

PKC> your cleverness defies description.

Thank you for noticing.

PKC wrote:

davetherave wrote:
PKC> your cleverness defies description.

Thank you for noticing.

Credit where credit is due.

Wow, you've got to read this:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/mapleleafs/article/711779--is-hottest-ticket-in-town-cooling-off

Tickets to Maple Leafs games are
being sold for unprecedented low prices on the open market – in what
ticket brokers and resellers say is an early sign of a backlash against
the club's league-topping ticket prices and basement-dwelling
performance.

For the first time ticket sellers can
remember, Leafs tickets with face values of $100 to $300 each are
routinely selling for as little as half that amount.

Wow!

http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=502707&cmpid=rss-News%20in%20English

Still close to 3,000 tickets left for Thursday's game against Nashville. Now, that in itself is not bad -- I mean, it's Nashville, right? And it's not like Carrie is traveling with the team. But there's still 400 tickets left for the Coke Zero Zone ($14 per ticket including taxes). The Boston game on Saturday has fewer than 500 tickets remaining -- that one should be a sellout.

wprager wrote:http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=502707&cmpid=rss-News%20in%20English

Still close to 3,000 tickets left for Thursday's game against Nashville. Now, that in itself is not bad -- I mean, it's Nashville, right? And it's not like Carrie is traveling with the team. But there's still 400 tickets left for the Coke Zero Zone ($14 per ticket including taxes). The Boston game on Saturday has fewer than 500 tickets remaining -- that one should be a sellout.

I think you might have misinterpreted what they were saying in that article. I think the 400 Coke Zero tickets are specific seats in that zone that were designated for the discount and not necessarily still available.

Cap to go up?

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2009/10/19/news-from-a-sitdown-with-nhl-brass-directv-versus-update-league-revenues-are-up-and-more/

Maybe...

shabbs wrote:Cap to go up?

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2009/10/19/news-from-a-sitdown-with-nhl-brass-directv-versus-update-league-revenues-are-up-and-more/

Maybe...

Make sure you let Prager know before he does all those Excel sheets.