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Post by Cap'n Clutch on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:32 am

This one was put out there by Dreger of TSN. It looks as though the asking price for negotiating rights to Jay Bo is a third rounder.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by MurderOnIce on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:35 am

If we think we can sign him... Done. I don't think we can and I don't think we want to make a big cap mistake again.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by Cap'n Clutch on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:38 am

The other problem that was pointed out was we don't have a third rounder but I don't think that would be a difficult situation to remedy if we were sure we could sign him.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by PKC on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:41 am

There was a really interesting article in the Ottawa Sun two days ago about whether Bouwmeester was actually a bonafide number 1 defenseman in the NHL worthy of the 7+ million he'll want.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by shabbs on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:45 am

When you trade for the rights to a player... if you don't end up signing them, is the trade undone or do you lose what you gave up for his rights?

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by Dash on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:46 am

I think he is. It's hard to gauge a guy like that who has been playing for a mediocre Florida team. Same could have been said for Luongo, no?

Why wouldn't he want to play in Ottawa? Wasn't it said he is tight with Spezza? Wouldn't that be a good reason? Where would he go? Edmonton (no room)? Calgary (again, no room)?

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by Dash on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:47 am

shabbs wrote:When you trade for the rights to a player... if you don't end up signing them, is the trade undone or do you lose what you gave up for his rights?


That would all be dependent on whether or not the pick was a conditional pick, which I don't think Florida wants. They just want something for him, and a 3rd rnd pick isn't much to ask for leverage over a few other teams. Obviously if he has no intention of signing with your team, it is a waste.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by asq2 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:47 am

shabbs wrote:When you trade for the rights to a player... if you don't end up signing them, is the trade undone or do you lose what you gave up for his rights?


Unless it's conditional, I think you lose it.

And I'm not sure it's possible for everything on one side of a trade to be conditional.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by SensFan71 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:47 am

Cap'n Clutch wrote:This one was put out there by Dreger of TSN. It looks as though the asking price for negotiating rights to Jay Bo is a third rounder.


pretty cheap price if you get him, Sundin was a 2nd if I am not mistaken, but if you fail, then you lose that pick and have nothing to show for it, if Murray was to do this, he better be damn sure he would sign him and make it reasonable, if there is any shred of doubt, I would hold onto the 3rd round pick.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by PKC on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:49 am

SensFan71 wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:This one was put out there by Dreger of TSN. It looks as though the asking price for negotiating rights to Jay Bo is a third rounder.


pretty cheap price if you get him, Sundin was a 2nd if I am not mistaken, but if you fail, then you lose that pick and have nothing to show for it, if Murray was to do this, he better be damn sure he would sign him and make it reasonable, if there is any shred of doubt, I would hold onto the 3rd round pick.


We don't have a 3rd round pick this year.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by rooneypoo on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:52 am

asq2 wrote:
shabbs wrote:When you trade for the rights to a player... if you don't end up signing them, is the trade undone or do you lose what you gave up for his rights?


Unless it's conditional, I think you lose it.

And I'm not sure it's possible for everything on one side of a trade to be conditional.

rooney?


If's it's not tagged as 'conditional,' -- i.e., where certain conditions need to be met before the pick is given up -- then it's defacto 'unconditional' -- i.e., with no conditions attached to it.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by SensFan71 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:56 am

PKC wrote:
SensFan71 wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:This one was put out there by Dreger of TSN. It looks as though the asking price for negotiating rights to Jay Bo is a third rounder.


pretty cheap price if you get him, Sundin was a 2nd if I am not mistaken, but if you fail, then you lose that pick and have nothing to show for it, if Murray was to do this, he better be damn sure he would sign him and make it reasonable, if there is any shred of doubt, I would hold onto the 3rd round pick.


We don't have a 3rd round pick this year.


well then forget that then, we are out of the running.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by shabbs on Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:00 pm

rooneypoo wrote:
asq2 wrote:
shabbs wrote:When you trade for the rights to a player... if you don't end up signing them, is the trade undone or do you lose what you gave up for his rights?


Unless it's conditional, I think you lose it.

And I'm not sure it's possible for everything on one side of a trade to be conditional.

rooney?


If's it's not tagged as 'conditional,' -- i.e., where certain conditions need to be met before the pick is given up -- then it's defacto 'unconditional' -- i.e., with no conditions attached to it.

Thanks for clearing that up guys!

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by SeawaySensFan on Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:03 pm

I can't see Bouwmeester being 3 million dollars better than Kuba, for instance. I'm leaning heavily towards no thanks.

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Re: Jay Bouwmeester rights for a 3rd rounder

Post by asq2 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:04 pm

SensFan71 wrote:well then forget that then, we are out of the running.


That's a little defeatist, no? Wink

If we were really confident we could sign him, I'd have no doubt we'd be able to acquire his rights. We have, for example, two second round picks.

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