Hurricanes finally win; streak ends at 14

PKC--you must be joking

sidstu wrote:PKC--you must be joking

I assure you I am not joking. And considering that the forum's messages are saved for viewing without expiry, it shouldn't be too hard for you to dig up ALL those posts that people claim the Senators are Stanley Cup contenders in, if as you say it is so commonly occurring.

PKC--maybe you are blinded by your own emotion in regards to the sens--are you kidding me or what--you go back and read all the posts that crap on all the other teams and players with so much biasm

the other day i have to read how crap lapierre is on the habs and how mcquire says he doesn't fight yet mcguire is the same guy that says NEIL hotdogs to much after a fight but nobody says anything about that

enough of this--i said my piece

sidstu wrote:shabbs--no problem and i know exactly what you are saying
actually i agree with most of your postings

i just find it funny that hemlock talks like the sens are the stanley cup champs of the league--are the sens a good team--i think so--will they make the playoffs--close but yes--are they good enough for fans like hemlock to assert that the hurricanes and leafs a joke--i don't think so--he should worry about his own backyard

wprager--i won't even comment--maybe you should see whats goes on the ice rather then trying to find a word in the dictionary to sound like an intellect with a PHD

You ought to try reading more than a post or two before you make a judgment on someone's stance on things. Go ahead and read back many months. I've never once said we are a contender. I've never said we were more than a middle of the pack team that's going to need some things to come together (or stay together atm) in order to be even remotely successful.

Go ahead like I said, and read some of my previous comments about the Sens. I invite you to do so now, because it's quite clear that you hadn't bothered to do that before commenting.

You should probably worry about how YOU sound on these boards and be less concerned how you think I sound. This is not the first (and I bet not the last) that you made comments on here that come across as completely asinine.

My favorite has been the "where I'm from you back-up what you say..." classic, simply classic.

You realize your on the internet right? Nobody gives a damn if you think your ghetto, street-savy, tough....really nobody cares what you were going for in the message.

To sum up - Internet + vague street comment = pointless

Part of being a sports fan, any sport, is not only supporting your team through thick and thin but also trashing your rivals when you get the chance. (Psst Toronto is Montreal's rival)

Besides if the Sens were one of these teams, the collective hockey world would be mocking the hell out of them like they are currently doing to the Hurricanes and Leafs now.

I've actually seen posts of Florida fans mocking these teams....Florida.

Nobody here thinks the Sens are a legit Stanely Cup contender
Playoff team? Yeah thats the common feel for the Sens
2nd round of the playoffs? A stretch but realistic
Conference finals? Serious dark horse situation

Listen man, it has nothing to do with overhyping a team, it's all about having fun at a rival team's expense. (Again Toronto is both rivals of Ottawa and Montreal)

sidstu wrote:i know my habs are not better than the sens right now--my point is that i don't talk like the habs are stanley cup champs--the problem is some of you talk like the sens are stanley cup champs and the rest of the teams are garbage--and its not just trash talk some of you actually believe it--thats way to much biasm for me--i know there are hab fans like that also

i like how some of you get personal on your arguements--just proves my point---just keep living in fantasy land

And what does "I wasn't raised in the Library" and "pretty boy writing" have to do with the issue at hand?

I will rep every post you make ad aeternam if you can find a post by one of our members saying that the Sens will win the cup this year (and being serious, not joking like the "top the top of the division!" comment).

I thought you said that where you were from, you learned to back up what you said.

So far you've said that you think you Habs allow you to criticize the Sens, which we've refuted, you've implied that you have to be a fan of a vastly superior team to make any negative comments about others, which we've refuted, and Russell's Teapot-ed that we all think the Sens have won the Cup already.

I think it's your own biasm, frankly. And every time you've encountered an argument that proves you wrong, you've responded with "are you kidding me?" rather than actually debating.

Seriously. Click on a member, go to search posts by, and find some posts indicating the Sens are Cup Champs 2009-2010.

sidstu wrote:PKC--maybe you are blinded by your own emotion in regards to the sens--are you kidding me or what--you go back and read all the posts that crap on all the other teams and players with so much biasm

the other day i have to read how crap lapierre is on the habs and how mcquire says he doesn't fight yet mcguire is the same guy that says NEIL hotdogs to much after a fight but nobody says anything about that

enough of this--i said my piece

It's so enticing to just call you an idiot and leave this discussion at that, but I won't. Maybe, just maybe, if you'd read since before the summer how people felt about Neil - to specifically bring up one of your points - you would have found that there were maybe a handful of people on the forum who felt that Chris still had a place on this team. And almost EVERYONE was shocked at the term and money he got on his new deal.

As for Lapierre, it's becoming increasingly obvious to just about everyone in the league what kind of player he is. So you don't have to take our word for it here who everyone feels about him.

I just can't understand why you think everyone here has the Sens pegged as a Stanley Cup team. I've invited you twice now, in as many posts, to provide some evidence on this, and yet you've refused to. This conversation is pointless until you do so.

With regards to the users on this site speaking in a negative way about other teams and other players, I'm pretty sure that's just arm-chair analysis. We criticize the Sens just as, if not more, harshly as any other team/player.

Sidstu, first of all, the silent 'm' in the word "bias" is also invisible. Second, to echo PKC, where have you seen anyone display their delusion of the Sens being contenders? Maybe on HB? Early on I was definitely with the group who said that the Sens *could* finish in the top-4 in the Conference. Sure, GAC (Guilty As Charged). That was mostly because we felt our division only had one team to chase -- the Bruins. The Bruins lost a 36-goal scorer, then were hit by inconsistent play and injuries. Trouble was that most of us underestimated the Sabres.

Back before the Bruins had problems, though, quite a few people had gone on record saying the Sens *are not* contenders. I was against several proposed trades to bring a #1 D-man here specifically for this reason -- we are not going anywhere this year, so why risk the future by taking on a big, long-term salary? Much more recently I went on record saying that the Sens are, after all, a middle-of-the-pack team, and we really should not expect anything more from them.

That said, they are still better than the Leafs and Canes, who sit pretty well at the bottom of the league. There is a big difference between bottom of the league (Leafs and Canes are 29 and 30, respectively) and middle-of-the-pack (Sens are at 17). There is just as big a difference between middle-of-the-pack and contenders. If (and it's a huge if) we finish top 4 we will get home ice in the first round, and we have a legitimate chance at advancing to the second round. We have a much smaller chance of advancing to the Conference Finals, but the chance is still there. Truth be told, every team that enters the post season has a chance to win the Stanley Cup. Doesn't mean that there are 16 "Contenders". I still think the Sens are a playoff-bound team, and I still think we have a reasonable chance to advance to the second round (or at least not get blown out four straight). And of course they have a chance -- very small -- at advancing to the Conference Finals and even the Cup Finals. Their odds of winning the Stanley Cup are greater than zero. But I've never said they were contenders, and I don't remember anyone -- at least not any regular contributor on this site -- saying it either.

So much pretty boy talk in this thread.

Seriously though...back to the point of this thread: Whats the countdown on a trade for the Canes looking like now? I mean, they lost to the LEAFS! the Leafs.... A trade can't be more than a few days away, right?

As a guest on what is basically a Sens site, I've watched this debate with interest.

I tend to agree with my esteemed colleague Prager, in that the Sens-centric nature of the commentary is simply normal for fans of the team.

Looking at fan sites for other teams, the balance between cheerleading and self-critique is pretty much on the same level.

As Prager and others point out, a team's fans are often its own harshest critics.

And, given the tribal nature of hockey rivalry, Sens fans trash talking the Leafs and Habs is par for the course.

Having participated in a number of other forums, GM Hockey remains in my view by far the most civil and intelligent hockey forum.

While there's more than a little ribbing--some of it quite wicked at times, but still all in good fun--and pointed commentary going on, generally posters respect each other here.

Even those who are famous for having an edge, like the legendary N4L, know the parameters of passionate debate; and Neely does know his hockey.

As do the members in general. At the end of the day, we're all enthusiasts, and as we have all seen, the so-called 'experts' are often wrong.

GMHockey is also a true community, and members do look out for each other.

When people cross the line into nastiness, the moderators do an excellent job of keeping things from getting out of hand.

So, my thanks to the folks at GMH.

I have to say that this stubacle saw the least reactionary response from members that I could have imagined. Pretty impressive, given the antagonistic nature of each one of his comments.

Gohan wrote:I have to say that this stubacle saw the least reactionary response from members that I could have imagined. Pretty impressive, given the antagonistic nature of each one of his comments.

Hopefully the membership can avoid dignifying someone's absurd comments by being over-the-top insulting towards him. In other words, don't feed the trolls.

Well, if a fan of a particular team wants to become an advocate at GMH, they certainly have the opportunity.

The founders here have constructed the site with threads and sections for all 30 teams, so anyone who cares to do so, can post their own news and views.