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2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
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WHO WILL BE THE 2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS?
Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
Cap'n Clutch wrote:Looks like the poll is showing strong support for the Pens right now. Interesting because there's not a lot of posts and comments supporting the poll results thus far.
I was surprised to see that... everyone was talking Detroit this and that... yet the poll is heavily in the Pens' favour... interesting...
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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
shabbs wrote:Cap'n Clutch wrote:Looks like the poll is showing strong support for the Pens right now. Interesting because there's not a lot of posts and comments supporting the poll results thus far.
I was surprised to see that... everyone was talking Detroit this and that... yet the poll is heavily in the Pens' favour... interesting...
Also I put 2 days left on the poll so get your votes in if you want to have a say.
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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
They are all just trying to fake me out in the bracket pool.

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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
wprager wrote:They are all just trying to fake me out in the bracket pool.
Well I would definitely hope that if your pool pick is a desperation choice that you don't make your poll vote based on that and actually vote for who you think will win.
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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
this is an indifferent prediction by myself, as I don't care if either team really wins and rather neither of them did, but since one of them has to, Wings in 6, too much depth, too much experience to be rattled by the Pingus.

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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
wprager wrote:Cap'n Clutch wrote:Everyone should know by now I'm calling a Penguins win this time around but due to the Pool I won't reveal the number of games just yet.
People talk about how much weaker the Pens are without Hossa but I think this team is stronger this time despite losing Hossa, Malone, Roberts, Laraque and Ruutu.
The big difference this season is getting rid of Therrien and promoting Bylsma. The turn around in their season was incredible once he took over. The Pens were under prepared and out coached last year. With Malkin and Crosby barely showing up on the score sheet in the finals they still made it 6 games.
This season they have a couple Veterans that know how to get the job done in Kunitz and Guerin. They're a more prepared and determined group, they're better coached than last season and Detroit has some wounded players. Lidstrom and Datsyuk may still play but they won't be 100%.
Pittsburgh is better this year and Detroit is still great but I still give the edge to the Pens.
Losing Laraque and Ruutu is definitely two big plusses. Against a team as disciplined as Detroit those two were, essentially, taking up valuable roster spots from more deserving players.
I don't agre about Roberts. Roberts brought veteran leadership and grit, with a scoring touch to boot. He played a hard game butm, surprisingly, took few penalties (yeah, we all know he got away with murder, but still). I'd say between Guerin and Roberts, it's a wash. Different players, bringing different elements, but on the scoresheet I don't know which one would get you more goals. Guerin probably plays more minutes, but that just takes ice time away from Crosby/Malkin. No clear winner in that one, IMO.
Losing Hossa hurts. I don't care how you slice it, he's as close to elite after Crosby and Malkin as you could get on this team. Kunitz does not replace either his points or his minutes. Kunitz also does not split Lidstrom/Kronwall's ice time from defending Crosby/Malkin like Hossa would have.
On the coaching side, yes, Therrien was likely outcoached by Babcock, but who wouldn't be? As far as playoffs -- and, especially, the Finals -- are concerned, Bylsma is still wet behind the ears.
I give Pittsburgh a slight edge on the top two lines. Detroit has better 3rd and 4th lines.
On defense it's not close, assuming Lidstrom is close to 100% (he was day-to-day in the games he sat out, so with all that rest he's ready to go). Lidstrom, Kronwall, Rafalski, Stuart. Pittsburgh did not have to face Chara, so we don't know how Crosby and, especially, Malkin, will do against Kronwall.
I gave Pittsburgh and edge in goaltending early on, and Fleury has not done anything to diminish my assessment of his play. On the other hand, Osgoode has been money when it counted. Slight edge in talent, perhaps, to Pittsburgh, but Osgoode has experience on his side.
Overall, experience (players and coach) and defense should make this a repeat performance for the Wings.
Intangibles:
The Penguins want to prove to Hossa that he did not choose wisely. On the flip side, Hossa wants to prove just the opposite. Also, he's got his own post-season performances of the past to become, well, the past. And he's in a contract year to boot.
Fleury wants to make a case for himself for Vancouver. Both Luongo and Brodeur have taken a step back this post-season. Fleury went head to head with Ward and won. Adding a Cup Ring to his collection would go a lon way to impressing Yzerman.
As for predictions, you'll have to check my picks in the bracket pool thread once they are in.
You smart man... I was hoping you would mess up and post your pick. Im going crazy trying to read your mind.

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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
Injury update on the Wings/Pens from Canwest News Service today:
A healthy Pittsburgh team, on an extra day's rest, faces a Detroit squad that ended the Chicago series without its No. 1 defenceman and No. 1 forward--Nick Lidstrom (lower body injury) and Pavel Datsyuk (foot) --as well as another longtime nucleus player, Kris Draper (groin), emerging star defenceman Jonathan Ericsson (appendectomy), and with Marian Hossa nursing a swollen knee from a third-period collision Wednesday.
A healthy Pittsburgh team, on an extra day's rest, faces a Detroit squad that ended the Chicago series without its No. 1 defenceman and No. 1 forward--Nick Lidstrom (lower body injury) and Pavel Datsyuk (foot) --as well as another longtime nucleus player, Kris Draper (groin), emerging star defenceman Jonathan Ericsson (appendectomy), and with Marian Hossa nursing a swollen knee from a third-period collision Wednesday.
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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
davetherave wrote:Injury update on the Wings/Pens from Canwest News Service today:
A healthy Pittsburgh team, on an extra day's rest, faces a Detroit squad that ended the Chicago series without its No. 1 defenceman and No. 1 forward--Nick Lidstrom (lower body injury) and Pavel Datsyuk (foot) --as well as another longtime nucleus player, Kris Draper (groin), emerging star defenceman Jonathan Ericsson (appendectomy), and with Marian Hossa nursing a swollen knee from a third-period collision Wednesday.
You just KNOW the Wings were hoping for a June 5 start...
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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
In other news... Draper and Datsyuk back at practice....
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/05/29/wings_draper_datsyuk_practise/
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/05/29/wings_draper_datsyuk_practise/
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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
No Lidstrom I guess eh? that may hurt Detroit a little, but their depth will prevail in this series.

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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
SensFan71 wrote:No Lidstrom I guess eh? that may hurt Detroit a little, but their depth will prevail in this series.
You need to read the article. The first paragraph says Lidstrom is in. Datsyuk is still a last minute decision.
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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
SensFan71 wrote:No Lidstrom I guess eh? that may hurt Detroit a little, but their depth will prevail in this series.
No, he's in. Here's the article in it's entirety, a la DTR...
Source: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/05/29/wings_draper_datsyuk_practise/
THE CANADIAN PRESS
DETROIT -- Red Wings coach Mike Wang said Friday defencemen Nicklas Lidstrom and Jonathan Ericsson will play in Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals.
Wang said Pavel Datsyuk's status will be a last-minute decision before Saturday night's game against the Pittsburgh Penguins.
The injured Datsyuk and Kris Draper were back on the ice for Friday morning's skate. Datsyuk, who missed the last three games of the Western Conference final with a foot injury, was not skating hard, however.
Draper missed the last two games of Detroit's conference final victory over the Chicago Blackhawks with a groin injury.
Lidstrom, who was out with an undisclosed injury, was back skating with regular partner Brian Rafalski.
Ericsson didn't skate as a precaution just days following surgery for acute appendicitis.
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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
caissie_1 wrote:
You smart man... I was hoping you would mess up and post your pick. Im going crazy trying to read your mind.
You think that would help me in FaceBook poker, eh? Not today, though.
As for my picks, I think you can almost infer that I'm picking someone in seven. Almost.

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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
I still amazes me how someone can have an emergency appendectomy on Wednesday and play on Saturday (I'm not sure if that's Ericsson's timeline but that's what happened to another player earlier in the year). It used to be that an appendectomy would have you in hospital 2-3 days, followed by at home in-bed another week or more. And after that you'd be in no condition for physical contact for quite a while.
Even more recently, though, my father-in-law had an appendectomy about 2-3 years ago, and he was recovering from that for months. That incision just would not heal for the longest time. Of course he's in his nineties.
Even more recently, though, my father-in-law had an appendectomy about 2-3 years ago, and he was recovering from that for months. That incision just would not heal for the longest time. Of course he's in his nineties.

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Re: 2009 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS VS. DETROIT RED WINGS
Anyone else think Datsyuk has a crack in his foot, somewhere? He was hurt taking a shot, right? He's missed two games already and was finally skating but not hard. That's too long for a bruise and there was no indication he'd hurt his ankle.

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